Crush Washers for Differentials and Transfer Case on Third Gen

Redline870 · Apr 6, 2020

I just got told by the parts guy at a local Toyota dealer that the crush washers for the fill and drain plugs on the differentials and transfer case were all the same part number

$16 12157-10010 Toyota Oil Drain Plug Crushable Steel Gaskets Set of 10 OEM 12157-10010

12157-10010. I can’t find any concrete info on this for the third gen, only the second gen. Can anyone verify this? Thanks!

tonered · Apr 6, 2020

Redline870[OP] initial post: ↑

I just got told by the parts guy at a local Toyota dealer that the crush washers for the fill and drain plugs on the differentials and transfer case were all the same part number

$16 12157-10010 Toyota Oil Drain Plug Crushable Steel Gaskets Set of 10 OEM 12157-10010

12157-10010. I can’t find any concrete info on this for the third gen, only the second gen. Can anyone verify this? Thanks!
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Omar RVA said: ↑

WARNING THIS IS LONG AF.

tl;dr - I do not hoon this truck. I followed the recommended break-in procedure to a t and drive relatively conservatively every day. That said, seriously consider checking/replacing your diff fluids early. I would not wait until the service interval. I'll update more when I get the Blackstone Labs results, but those fluids were in rough shape (all 3 fluid samples will be sent to Blackstone).

So I searched high and low both here and on other forums and noticed the procedure hasn't really been documented in detail (brief steps in the maintenance sticky up top, but generally people just saying they did the work). I wanted to do a write up that documented the procedure in detail and with pictures so others looking to do the same would have a reference. I also wanted to detail the front diff and manual transmission procedure as those really aren't documented. The rear is pretty self-explanatory. So lets get to it!

Background

My 2016 TRD Sport (DCSB), 6M/T has just over 10,500 miles on it. It recently has had its first oil change, and for the most part has been stellar. I do have a few of the 3rd gen bugs, most annoying of which is the diff howl. I say this about most of my vehicles, but I intend on keeping this truck until it's driven into the ground or it rusts out (or I finally succumb to the allure of the 200 series LC); in any case, I like taking care of my things, especially the expensive ones. I don't expect this to fix the diff howl, but after seeing what came out, I'm glad I did it now rather than later.

The truck went in for it's 10k service and oil change a few weeks ago and after seeing a few posts on here about the condition of the other fluids, I decided I'd bite the bullet and do the service. This service is NOT cheap from a dealer so a friend and I tackled it ourselves in my driveway. I would have included a transfer case fluid change as well, but Toyota specifies their proprietary 75w LF gear oil, for which I could not find a suitable equivalent.

I paid for the 2 day subscription for TIS to confirm bolt torques and locations but this was not necessary with the stickies maintenance thread linked again (so if anyone needs anything between now and Tuesday...) - https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/3rd-gen-diy-maintenance-quick-reference.406712/

Parts List

6 quarts 75w-85 GL-5 or equivalent gear oil (more or less depending on your model) - I used Amsoil

$30 75w-90 Synthetic Gear Lube - 1 Quart (Pack of 2)

75w-90 Severe Gear

3 quarts 75w-90 GL-3 (GL-4) Manual Transmission fluid - used Amsoil 75w-90 Manual Transmission Gear Lube

Gasket Set (

$14 GENUINE TOYOTA GASKET KIT FOR TRANSFER AND DIFFERENTIAL SERVICE

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017V4BAXI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) - this kit works perfectly since the transfer case uses the same "gaskets" as the transmission and I didn't touch that fluid

Oil pump - something like this but hopefully yours isn't as crappy:

$8 Lubrimatic 55-001 4CC Fluid Pump for Quart Size Bottles

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BQW5LK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Drain pan

Torque Wrench (minimum torque value 20 lb-ft)

Breaker bar/regular socket wrench (DO NOT loosen bolts with your torque wrench)

24 mm socket (not required but a thin walled, shallow socket would be ideal)

10 mm hex socket

Optional:

Beer - because any wrenching requires it at my house. I chose Deschutes Brewery's Pacific Wonderland Lager.

Test Sample Kits from Blackstone Labs. It's my way of understanding what's going on for the fluids and also a third party way of documenting what was going on in the future.

A nice jack and jack stands - keeping the driver side front wheel off for the front diff change made life much easier. Just make sure everything is level!

Creeper or cardboard

Kitty litter or something for spills

Nitrile gloves

Drive around a mile or two to warm up the fluids and suspend and particulates in the fluid, wait for the exhaust to cool before you begin.

Procedure & Notes

A general note first, this is essentially the same procedure for the diffs and trans and it goes as follows:

Remove the fill plug first - there are a few reasons for this, but one is in case you find out your drain plug is stuck. You won't be stranded this way. Second is to provide some air outlet for the draining part. The fluid will come out much smoother and make a lot less mess.

You know you're done filling the part when the fluid begins to trickle out (if you're level). Per the FSM, the fill level is 0 to 5mm from the bottom of the fill plug hole. The other way is to measure exactly what you're putting in vs. Toyota's requirements, which is just more work.

Transmission first!

Locate the drain and fill bolts on the manual transmission. These can be accessed from the passenger side of the truck.

Using your breaker bar and 24mm socket, loosen fill plug first, this is where the shallow socket is key. The fill plug has about 2" of space between it and the O2 sensor near the cat. I removed the fill plug and checked the fluid level (close enough to full for me). Full for all of the following is 0 to 5mm from the bottom opening of the fill plug hole.

Get your drain pan under the drain hole but with space for the fluid to shoot forward a bit.

Loosen the drain plug the same as the fill plug. Once the bolt is loose, remove by hand and expect the transmission fluid to come out with some force. In my case I had my Blackstone sample bottle ready to collect before letting the rest drain into the pan. The fluid coming out was almost like a light maple syrup color, which is close to what I would expect. Keep in mind the new fluid looks similar to canola oil (in color).

Once the trickle stops, wipe everything down and replace the drain plug. Be sure to use a new flat washer provided in the gasket kit. Torque to 27 lb-ft.

Using your pump, pump in your new MT fluid. In my case, I needed just a bit over 2.6 quarts which is what the service manual calls for, using the fill specification noted above (0 to 5mm from the bottom of the fill hole).

Using another new flat washer from the kit, replace the fill plug and torque to 27 lb-ft. Make sure you have the old washers removed!

Wipe everything down of excess oil. You'll want this to be clean so not to attract dirt, but also to check for leaks later.

Front diff:

Locate the drain and fill bolts for the front differential. These will be accessed from the driver's side of the truck. The CV axle going into your wheel will come directly from the diff. For the sake of access, removing the driver front wheel made this task much easier.

Using your breaker bar and 10mm hex socket, loosen then remove the fill plug.

Get your drain pan under the drain hole, again with space for the fluid to shoot forward (though this really didn't have much pressure behind it).

Loosen the drain plug the same as the fill plug. This plug is magnetic and had a decent amount of crud on it. Again, I collected my Blackstone sample and let the fluid drain. This fluid was WAY darker than I expected and full of glitter. This was somewhat alarming to me as my front diff isn't used all that often. I try to get my 10 miles a month in 4wd to keep everything lubricated and it had some longer term use during the one big snow last winter; this was worse than when I did the same service on my 4Runner which was full time 4wd.

Clean all the gunk off the drain plug.

Once the trickle stops, wipe everything down and replace the drain plug. Take note this plug uses the copper washer provided in the gasket kit; remove the old, replace with the new. Torque to 48 lb-ft.

Using your pump, pump in your new diff fluid. I used just a bit under 1.6 quarts.

Using a crush washer from your gasket kit, replace the fill plug and torque to 29 lb-ft.

Wipe everything down of excess oil.

Rear diff:

Locate the drain and fill bolts for the rear differential. These will be accessed from the rear of the truck. I chose to drop the spare for more space and I'm glad I did. (note: your drain plug may be on the driver side depending on the diff; the larger diffs on the manuals and TRDORs will be on the passenger side)

Using your breaker bar and 24mm socket, loosen then remove the fill plug.

Get your drain pan under the drain hole.

Loosen the drain plug. This is where a thin walled socket helps. I have no idea what they torqued it to from the factory but it was a b**** to get loose. Remove by hand and wait for the flood of black fluid. Again the plug is magnetic and CAKED with a thick later of sludge. Clean it all off and pat yourself on the back for doing this now and not later.

Once the trickle stops, wipe everything down and replace the drain plug. Discard the old crush washer and use a new one from the kit. Torque to 36 lb-ft.

Using your pump, pump in your new diff fluid until full. I used just over 4.3 quarts.

Using the last new crush washer from your gasket kit, replace the fill plug and torque to 36 lb-ft.

Wipe everything off!

You're done!

Drink another beer and clean up. Technically you should drive around a bit and re-check fluid levels. I'm confident that what came out was replaced so I won't be doing this. I will, however, check the drain and fill bolts tomorrow after my commute to ensure there aren't any leaks.

I am a bit alarmed at the quality of the diff fluid coming out of the truck after only 10k miles. I'll hold my tongue until I get the Blackstone results back (the samples will be shipped sometime this week). I'll update the thread accordingly.

Update 1: [3/21/17] Blackstone samples sent via UPS. Will update again with result sheets. 3 samples were sent, 1 for the front diff, 1 for the MT fluid, 1 for the rear diff.

Update 2: [3/25/17] Blackstone results are IN! Here are my comments and the result sheets: https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...-6mt-fluid-change.481719/page-4#post-14749797

Update 3: [10/19/18] Blackstone samples sent via USPS (arrived to Blackstone Labs on 10/29). Amsoil fluids after 20k miles appears in sample containers here: 3rd Gen Differential and Manual Transmission (6MT) Fluid Change

Update 4: [11/04/18] Blackstone results are IN! USPS lost the Front Diff sample (bastards!). https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...6mt-fluid-change.481719/page-17#post-19064948. Edit 11/29/18, front diff fluid delivered to Blackstone and tested!

OA
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Boltripper · Apr 6, 2020

Redline870[OP] initial post: ↑

I just got told by the parts guy at a local Toyota dealer that the crush washers for the fill and drain plugs on the differentials and transfer case were all the same part number

$16 12157-10010 Toyota Oil Drain Plug Crushable Steel Gaskets Set of 10 OEM 12157-10010

12157-10010. I can’t find any concrete info on this for the third gen, only the second gen. Can anyone verify this? Thanks!
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$16 12157-10010 Toyota Oil Drain Plug Crushable Steel Gaskets Set of 10 OEM 12157-10010

12157-10010 Rear Differential Drain Gasket
12157-10010 Rear Differential Fill Gasket

$6 90430-24003 Front Differential Drain Plug Gasket

90430-24003 Front Differential Drain gasket
12157-10010 Front Differential Fill Gasket

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For the Diffs you will need:

12157-10010 x 3
90430-24003 x 1

For the Transfer Case you just need (2) of the 90430-A0003

90430-A0003 Transfer Drain Plug
90430-A0003 Transfer Fill Plug

Cheers,

John

TacoMike · Apr 6, 2020

You can get complete kits on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NHR9PN...colid=1FJKWUUGAV1R0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it&th=1

Redline870 · Apr 6, 2020

Thanks everyone, I had a feeling that guy was wrong. Why are so many parts guys absolutely terrible at their jobs?

JNG · Apr 6, 2020

Redline870[OP] said: ↑

Thanks everyone, I had a feeling that guy was wrong. Why are so many parts guys absolutely terrible at their jobs?
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Because they suck. No really they simply suck at their jobs, life, everything. The parts guy at my local Toyota parts counter is a fucking idiot who hates his job, the world, and I guess me. However the parts girl who I sometimes get knows her shit and is very pleasant and helpful. Unfortunately I tend to get stuck with the idiot. I feel your pain.

Redline870 · Apr 7, 2020

whatstcp said: ↑

because they don't care. Whether they are right or wrong it doesn't matter. You either buy the part or you don't. You either keep the part or return it. They either blindly follow whatever the computer tells them or they make shit up that they think is right.

It doesn't matter, they get paid the same and so they learn to not give a shit.
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That's exactly what he did, made it up. He didn't even look on the computer, he just instantly blurted out "they're all the same" and proceeded to give me 6 of the same washers.

Rick111 · Apr 19, 2020

Verified on my truck.

Rick111 · Nov 6, 2020

Melmantaco said: ↑

So its different for the m/t trucks then. I see 2 of the crush washers and 2 of the copper washers. Does the rear drain plug use the copper gasket on the rear instead of the aluminum crush gasket?
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I have not drained the rear differential yet so I have not verified the crush washer by sight myself. I have only removed the service plugs to top off all four units. My research (to include a discussion with the local Toyota Parts Department folks) indicates the rear differential‘s drain and service crush washers are the same. Why so many different crush washers on one truck must be attributed to different sub-contractors (aka Aisin and Hino). Hence the reason I have spares for each type of crush washer. Don’t go by the number of washers on the piece of paper. They are taped there so I don’t lose them.

Tacman19 · Nov 6, 2020

Redline870[OP] said: ↑

Thanks everyone, I had a feeling that guy was wrong. Why are so many parts guys absolutely terrible at their jobs?
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Because like every other brick and mortar, stealership parts department, they don't pay enough. At $12.75 I was at the higher end when I retired... A journeyman at most trades are in the high $20s and even $30's right? LOL
Zim

TA2016 · Jun 27, 2022

Changed my differential fluids today at 51K miles. There was no washer on the rear drain plug. The dealership was the last to touch the differential when I had the weeping rearend TSB addressed. The bolt was over torqued probably so it would not leak.

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