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cva wolf .50 cal muzzleloader accuracy problem

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by tacomaman06, Sep 29, 2010.

  1. Sep 29, 2010 at 7:28 PM
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    well....not to sure exactly where the problem lies with it...whether it be scope or gun.

    i put a tru-glo muzzleloader scope on it a while back and finally went to sight it in......for the time being at around 50-55 yards. i boresighted the scope, then shot. i was at least 8 inches to the right....the only 2 out of 5 that hit paper were 8 or more inches to the right. now, that said....i was only using 2 powder pellets.....not a magnum load...and 295 grain powerbelt hollow points.. what ya'll think? think it'll be closer with a magnum load? i was thinking of ditching the scope altogether and just iron sighting.......but im still wondering if i'll have the same outcome. brand new gun....these were the only 5 times its been shot, so i dont think barrel would be fubarred......but it shoulda hit where it was boresighted at least.


    what ya'll think?
     
  2. Sep 29, 2010 at 7:39 PM
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    This might be a stupid question, but you are packing the shot and pellets firmly right?
     
  3. Sep 30, 2010 at 3:40 AM
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    getting there....
    yep.


    bump.
     
  4. Sep 30, 2010 at 5:33 AM
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    Did you use bore butter before you shot? Run a dry cloth down after three and re butter?
     
  5. Sep 30, 2010 at 2:03 PM
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    no...didnt use any bore butter. i have used it on my old pour and pack muzzleloader, but with this inline, and dropping pellets, i didnt think it was too necessary.
     
  6. Sep 30, 2010 at 6:08 PM
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    1. Always season your barrel w/ bore butter....whether you're shooting inline or traditional

    2. Muzzleloaders can be very finicky about what bullet/load combination they shoot. I had to try about 4 different bullets before I found one that my muzzleloader would shoot well. My inline (Thompson Center) couldn't hit the broadside of a barn w/ CVA Powerbelt bullets, however it will shoot 1.5" 3 shot groups at 100 yards w/ 300 grain TC Shockwave sabots and 100 grains of triple seven powder. Maybe try some more "traditional" style sabots and see if you get better groups.
     
  7. Sep 30, 2010 at 6:20 PM
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    i'll get some bore butter then.....and im gonna try a magnum load with the powerbelts i already have and see what happens. thanks man.
     
  8. Sep 30, 2010 at 6:28 PM
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    When it comes to accuracy, it's actually better to start out with a lower powder charge and then work your way up (this is true no matter what you are shooting - muzzleloader, modern rifles, etc). Stick with 100 grains of powder and once you start getting consistent accuracy at that level you can then step up to a stronger powder charge and see how your groups are.
     
  9. Sep 30, 2010 at 6:44 PM
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    How did you bore sight the gun? Could the gun have shifted while bore sighting? I only consider bore sighting as a method to get on target / reasonably close, and then adjust from there so POA and POI match up.
     
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    well.....thing is, and i could be wrong, but i think with the 295 grain bullet, 100 grains wasnt enough as far as powder charge goes, but when i try again, and if it doesnt work...i'll try some different sabots.

    i dont think so man....the boresighter fits snugly into the barrel...with no movement at all.
     
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    100 grains of powder is more than enough to push a 295 grain bullet. You could use 60 grains of powder and it would easily kill a deer at 100 yards. I hunted for years with 85 grains of pyrdex loose powder pushing out a 370 gr maxi-ball. It always passed through deer with no problems. Remember w/ heavy muzzleloader bullets it's more about kinetic energy (knock down power) than it is speed.
     
  12. Oct 1, 2010 at 2:19 PM
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    i reckon i'll go get some different sabots then and see what happens.
     
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    When you shoot at the range you should, after every shot, run a patch with #13 bore cleaner, then a dry patch. You should use boar butter when you store it. Also, i use 150 grains of powder and a 350 grain hornaday sst bullet, thats for a mule deer at 200 yds not a dinky white tail. :)
     
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    well....all we got round here is dinky white tail.;)
     
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    alright.....went and sighted in my wolf early this am. i now have a 3 shot/2 inch group at 100 yards. i went and picked up some 250 grain t/c shockwave spire point sabots. loaded with 100 grain of pellets/shockwaves/ winchester 209 primers. shoots pretty good now.

    i also bore buttered my barrel a few times. really did help with loading.

    one weird thing i noticed....after cleaning after every 2 shots, on my 7th and final shot....i pulled the trigger.....good 2 or 3 second delay...then it finally fired. im guessing that the breech plug still had a lil crud in it even after i nipple picked it.....or its those primers im using. im gonna go with crud still being in the hole and not getting good fire. had thought about using some primers i've seen called "white hots"....but will stick to the winchesters unless ya'll got good stuff to say bout the white hots.
     
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    Good to hear you got it grouping good! As far as the hang fire goes, that is just crud (that you can't clean out w/ just a nipple pick) building up in your breach. I clean my gun every 3 shots and when I do clean it, I break it completely down (removing the nipple, breach plug, etc) and clean everything out really good.

    With a muzzleloader 99.9% if you don't get them with the first shot (or rarely a second shot) you're not going to get them at all....you don't need to worry about your 7th shot possibly hangfiring :D

    I would stick with everything you are using now and just make sure you clean it good after each time you kill an animal with it in the woods (or at least after every 3 shots)...if you do that you will be fine.
     
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    thats what i was thinking man.i'll stick to the winchester 209's. i was cleaning after every 2nd shot....taking it all apart as well, and removing the breech plug, but i reckon i musta not got everything in there on that last one.

    what do you think about the 250 grain tc shockwave spire points? they grouped pretty good except the 3 shots where the damn scope hit me and i moved a bit.:D
     
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    You said that the gun is bore sighted? Ok then it should be on the map, and it is. If you are shooting 8" right turn your scope left 4 clicks MOA. so with that said at 55 yards you will have to turn the scope 64 clicks to the left and bullseye>>>> Always clean the barrel then run a dry patch or 2 before loading the gun. If you push a bullet down a sloppy wet barrel it will shoot like shit. At 50 yards you want to shoot a inch or so high so you will be at 0 at 100yards. I would not add more powder. all you will gain from this is more $, more BOOM, More smoke and More flinch. Good luck.
     
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    Best bullet/powder combo for me is 777 pelets and TC 190grain bullet. Super accurate and flat shooting. Light ammo doesnt kick as hard so that makes me a better shot. Triple 7 powder cleans so easy.
     
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    I use copper plated sabots and 150 grains of powder, alot of people swear by bore butter but then again alot of people swear it's bad and increases inaccuracy. Set the target at 50 yards shoot til you get a pattern and go from there. If you can't get a group at 50 its not the bullet or powder its the gun.
     
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