Cynicalriders "J0hnny5 is ALIVE!" 01 build thread.

I honestly can’t remember, Mike, but I think I just pulled the whole ADD tube off at the diff and then pulled the stub. It may be worth pulling the stub anyway just to inspect things.

Which CV broke again? You were bound up while you were locked, right?

 

Not if it's the shift fork or collar that broke.

Passenger CV broke first. This second breakage was a different event the next day. The cv spins and is in tact but does not spin in the diff. Suspected stub shaft or collar/shift fork.

 

You need a crawl box it’ll help with breaking less cvs.

 

I only partially agree there. My first snap was because I was bound up in a tough spot with the front locked. Might have happened crawl box or not.



The second breakage did happen with some bouncing though. Was a very hard obstacle.

 

If you had the crawl box the first one might have happened but you also go so slow you don’t hop into rocks as much and you can tell when they bind and back off before they go out. I’m running autozone cv axles right now haven’t broken one and I’ve run the rubicon 3 Times now. Crawl box has saved me a few times especially on little sluice.

 

You can replace the collar without pulling the stub?

Just curious have you heard of many fork failures?

 

I want to say it was before and after, but can't recall for sure.

 

Seeing more and more people installing these. Do these give the same up travel as the stock just softer bump stop?

 

I can't think of why the fork would break...I wouldn't think there is much stress on that once it is slid into place....but I don't remember how we did yours

 

Yes because your existing bumps up front are the actual control of travel, and these just slow it all down.

 

Also for those replying to the ADD tube debacle, I think I am just going to take it all apart and inspect it all just in case. I'll pull the actuator off first, take a look inside. If all looks good, I'll just remove the entire ADD tube and check the stub shaft. Should be an interesting tear down.

 

That makes sense, thanks for the reply. Just put that on the to do list.

 

Good luck, Mike. Hopefully it isn’t too big of a dick pain to find the issue.

 

I'll post a quick update to what lead to all this. A weekend full of carnage.

I made it out to Rausch for the first time this year for the NTC Takeover. The intention was to keep it relatively mild on Friday so we wouldn't break too much shit so we can still wheel hard on Saturday. We wanted to start on Tata's because I haven't been on it in ages and wanted to try out the new black lines that were added. On the way we came across "Walk in the Park" a black hill climb. It was a pretty easy hill climb but fun for sure. It pretty much goes straight up.

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Only had a minor issue where @Cyberman's hubs would not engage but once that was sorted we were on our way.

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We ran Tata's with all the black offshoots and that eventually put us out to Cemetery. Cemetery was going great until we came to the red line out of cemetery. I took one of the harder but still looked doable lines and finally got over the ledge I was struggling on only to bind the front wheel and bust a cv. So I needed to winch myself out of the bind to get my wheels straight so that I could back down.

This is the red line:

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Everyone ate lunch while I went to work changing my CV.

This is where I was struggling to get up, and did mange to get up through it.

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But once I did, I bound up hard up front.

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Really want to get rid of wheel spacers to make cv changes faster.

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The damage:

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Oh well, no big deal. Changed the CV and got back on the trail. @Rockbaron1 , @HolyHandGrenade and Karen all got up the red line with no issues and Mike and I continued to the normal end. From there we ran both 22 and 21 and called it a day. Both were pretty fun trails, 22 was off camber, rocky and tight. Karen had lost her roof rack on the jeep. My buddy and I booked it out of the park so I can get another spare CV for Saturday. Got the CV, put it in my spare case, and was ready to rock.

Saturday we did everything we could to avoid the crowds. We wanted to head down to the new trail, Beaver Creek. We saw a bunch of people already heading down that way and I could have gone 13 or 20, and I decided on 20. I already have run the first part of this trail before but only once. This trail has had some carnage already, @HomerTaco destroyed a rear axle in front of me on this trail, and I almost destroyed my drive shaft on this trail, but I was down to give it another go. I was making great progress leading us until I got hung up on a huge stump. This bitch caught me good, and it was clear I wasn't going anywhere until I dealt with it.

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First I tried to winch, and it was just not working. The stump was in the holes of the slider and not budging.

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Luckily Tim had a chain saw with him so I whipped out the high lift, got myself off the stump, cut the top, and winched myself over just to be sure.

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It was pretty awesome self recovering off of it, always feels good to be able to get yourself out of a situation unassisted, though the chain saw definitely made it faster.

All the while I was doing this, Tim was dealing with a broken CV in the same spot I almost destroyed my drive shaft.

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After that we got maybe another 50 ft down the trail before @stairgod got hung up on a big rock, and needed to get towed off of it.

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@M192 tried to winch him first but we ended up tugging him with this beast:

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We continued down the trail and didn't really have many issues till where it crosses trail 12b again and shit went to full fucking hard.

It wasn't long after this photo was taken:

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I was banging and smashing through the trail and it was painful. I was at my rigs limits and I called it quits. It stopped being fun, and it was being terrible.

Jon, Tim, Dan, and Karen followed me out via 12b and Pat and the guy in the bronco finished out 20. We started eating lunch and eventually Pat met up with us. Turns out that the weekend had claimed another axle. Pat destroyed one on 20 and wen to attempt to swap it.

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He was having issues getting the spare axle in and said fuck it and called it quits for the day. This was the 3rd axle snapped in our group between two days.

Tim wasn't feeling well so him and Karen followed Pat back to the parking lot while Jon, Dan, the Bronco and I continued on a couple more trails. We ran easier trails, much of which were washed out hard by all the recent rains. It made all the easy trails I used to hate and find boring, so much fun! As we are making our way through the park, I ask we hit one last hard obstacle, Jotters Way. It's been on my bucket list for a while at this park and now that I was double locked on 35's I figure it was worth a go. I forgot how tall it actually was, and it looks like things can hit the fan very quickly on it. I later learned it can hit it faster than I thought.

I made several attempts, getting more and more careless with each one. I tried babying it at first, even had all four tires spinning to try to generate some heat. I only almost made it once, but the rears got caught up and I panicked and braked, and backed down. Eventually I snapped something and needed to call it quits. Something in the ADD tube broke, issue is still unknown.

https://youtu.be/Pw0ExgyJGpA

Then Dan gave it a go but he had no working rear locker, so eventually he called it quits. The guy with us in the Bronco said he wasn't going to do it at first, but as we were about to roll out, he said he would give it a shot. Unfortunately after many attempts, each giving more gas, this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiqxpNOit5k

Thankfully he was okay, we got him flipped over, refilled his tires, gave him some oil and he drove it back to the parking lot and onto his trailer. He definitely took a hard roll, def was complaining of head and back pain too.

So the grand carnage total that weekend was 3 axles (2 cv's and one birf), a busted add tube, and a rolled truck. Was a rough one for sure.

 

Damn.

That roll looks like no fun at all. And it happened FAST. The front passenger tire came down in that crack and it was over.

 

Yup and I hate to say it but I knew it was going to be an epic accomplishment or a terrifying roll. He kept going at it with less and less fucks, and he kept creeping left instead of right with every attempt which is a even harder line.

 

Hey Mike, when you installed the dakars did you have a hard time getting the front bolt out? The things a real bitch on mine, was trying to break it yesterday.

 

When I did my dakars my front was already swapped to a greasable one. I did swap to newer leaf packs before that though, and I don't believe I needed to cut it, though I wouldn't be surprised. Don't be afraid to take a map gas torch to the bitch, especially since you aren't re-using the bushings. Torch the nut side and get a big fucking breaker bar. You do have new hardware right?

 

Welp, found the issue.

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I dug into my ADD tube issues on Saturday. Big thank you to Ant and @planters15 for rolling through and lending me a hand. We were able to get the tube off in pieces without needing to pull the entire diff thankfully. First we pulled the cv on the passenger side of course, then removed the outer tube. After that is off you can get to the bolts that hold the actuator portion on and pulled that off next and that revealed the issue. I pulled one half of the stub shaft out by hand, and you can see the other half stuck in the diff.

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It was a pretty clean break:

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Now the problem here is that the only way to remove the remaining part of the stub shaft is through the other side. So while I went to work pulling the other side's CV out, Ant went to work on pulling my spare diff apart to remove the stub shaft from that one.

When I regeared we were able to get the stub shaft out via the prybar method. This time, it was not happening so we decided to give it a shot via the method we were going to do the broken one. A long allen key from the other side of the diff. You can tap it from the driver side of the diff just past the cross pin.

We found the perfect sized allen key and got the stub shaft out of the spare diff:

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And then we knocked the broken shaft out of my diff.

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While it was out, I thought the diff looked sweet being able to see light through it.

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From there it was just putting everything back together. Since it was a tight space, Ant and I just went to it and Q took some action shots of us getting the shit back together. The hard part was timing everything with the RTV and getting in there to get the bolts tight enough. Lot's of fun laying on our backs in terrible positions.

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After that, Ant helped me try to figure out why my one e-brake arm was stuck. The entire arm was seized where it went into the back of the drum. We got it free and I have a semi working e-brake now. I need to revisit it and replace the shoes again. The brake being stuck did a number on them.

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Next up, tackling my AC.

 

Holy shit Mike talk about being possesed about working on your truck.LOL