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Damage from stiff front suspension?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by ardrummer292, Oct 5, 2020.

  1. Oct 5, 2020 at 7:24 AM
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    will.i.was

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    700+ lb coils are not common but not rare.

    I'm running 725lb Eibach pro lift kit springs on Bilstein 5100 at the second clip. Albeit I have full armor and a crapton of weight. Very cushy, not stiff at all.

    As for parts loosening up, my ac knobs fell out and my rearview mirror has ripped off the windshield. This was during some tough offroading though and I don't have any issues on a daily basis.
     
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  2. Oct 5, 2020 at 7:45 AM
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    I have to harass someone. Why not you, senpai?

    The retailer strongly recommended them over the other options, which all have a 586 lb spring rate.

    0% chance of that happening. I specifically mention limited body roll as a desirable thing.

    I guarantee it is much worse than the stock Sport suspension. Source: my truck is a Sport.

    I kinda suspect that the coils I have are specced for a 3rd gen with extra weight, not a 2nd gen. 730 lb coils are really damn heavy for this application.
     
  3. Oct 5, 2020 at 7:54 AM
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    Never heard of you before,the springs should soften up a little over time.
     
  4. Oct 5, 2020 at 7:58 AM
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    ardrummer292 [OP] 500k or bust

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    I'm sure the break-in process is really just starting in earnest. I've only had the bumper mounted for a few weeks.

    I'll get TW-famous someday.
     
  5. Oct 5, 2020 at 7:58 AM
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    3rd gens do have heavier spring rates due to more weight. I believe mine are also 3rd gen but they fit 2nd gen and provide 3" lift. I'm only at 2.5" or so due to weight.

    I have front steel bumper, winch, sliders, roof rack/awning, a crapton of recovery gear, easily 600# over stock.

    It was really stiff before the bumper/winch but it is smooth as butter now, even after going up a notch.
     
  6. Oct 5, 2020 at 8:02 AM
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    That's where my suspicion is coming from. OME 886s, which are one of the more common coils used for ARB-equipped 2nd gens, are only at 660 lbs. The Dobs coils I have are a full 70 lbs over that, which is a 10+% increase in spring rate.
     
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  7. Oct 5, 2020 at 8:26 AM
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    Very very rarely do I see anyone running more than 650 with armor, 700+ is usually stupid heavy setup, full RTT and armor fo dayz.

    I do also believe that the shock you pair the spring with will determine it's handling characteristics. You haven't mentioned what shocks you are utilizing?
     
  8. Oct 5, 2020 at 8:46 AM
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    It's the Dobinsons nitrocharger twin-tube, P/N GS59-220. These particular shocks have an extra inch of travel and a spring seat 1 inch higher than standard, yielding about an inch more lift than standard shocks without losing any travel distance.
     
  9. Oct 6, 2020 at 2:42 AM
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    From what I'm reading here, it looks like I don't have anything to worry about. The rough ride quality is tolerable, since it comes with the benefit of increased stability when dealing with Hampton Roads traffic. That said, I highly doubt I'll choose the same coils again when it comes time to replace them. I wouldn't mind a cushier ride to keep coffee in my travel mug and off my work clothes.

    Thanks for the input, guys.
     
  10. Oct 6, 2020 at 2:46 AM
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    It isn't the most impressive build on here, but I like it quite a bit. Wheels and tires due to be upgraded in the next couple weeks.

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    I should clarify this point:

    My truck started life as a Sport. I swapped the hood and color-matched fender flares, then de-badged and replaced with vinyl decals from @CBoy808. The only features left that identify it as a Sport are the indicator-equipped sideview mirrors and the AC outlet in the bed.
     
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  11. Oct 6, 2020 at 3:00 AM
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    you mention the armor and other stuff on the soon-to-get-list. I guess it's time to accelerate that and add the winch to get the weight you targeted for the coils
     
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    I feel your pain. I feel like my BP51s are really firm with the 720lb springs(I think, maybe they're 700lb). I have a bumper(not ARB), winch, AGM battery, ARB dual compressor and All-Pro steel front skid but it still feels like the springs are too much for what I have. I've tried the adjusting settings but nothing has seemed to help. I may try the sway bar since I generally don't daily it unless road conditions require 4WD.

    Edit: added the items I forgot were under the hood
     
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  14. Oct 6, 2020 at 4:06 AM
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    Oh there will be some mods all right
    Taking the sway bar off increased the ride quality greatly when I had my Tacoma. It wasn't unbearable with it but felt so much better without. With stiff coils you don't notice any negative driving characteristics without the sway bar but the suspension works so much better being truly independent.
     
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    If you don't already have the aluminum skids just save the money and buy steel. It'll help both your wallet and add a bit of squish.
     
  16. Oct 6, 2020 at 4:30 AM
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    I run 650 lb/in springs with an ARB, winch w/ synthetic, a front steel skid, dual batteries, sliders. This is a bit higher than I really need but 600 lb/in was a little light. A 625 lb/in at 14" would be perfect but that's not an option.

    My concern with a too stiff front suspension would be to watch two things. First is the battery. Regular flooded types do not like shock and vibration. An AGM would be less sensitive to it. Either way just something to watch. The second thing I'd watch is the radiator core support. It's already kind of a vulnerable area so it can't be good for it to increase wear and tear due to higher than stock jarring.
     
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  17. Oct 6, 2020 at 4:50 AM
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    This is true, but it's also adding a huge amount of weight where it really isn't needed. My skid plates are for peace of mind, not because I intend on ever using them.

    There are a lot of suggestions flying around for mitigating the effects of a potential problem instead of actually fixing it.
     
  18. Oct 6, 2020 at 4:54 AM
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    Oh there will be some mods all right
    Obviously changing coils would be your best bet, but you really should try taking the sway bar off. I wouldn't recommend something that I felt was unsafe and or haven't done myself. After I took it off I did some evasive maneuvers and it felt 100% fine. A stock truck I would never do it but with your set up it would be just fine. It's common on some sports cars to run stiff springs and get rid of the sway bar as well. Before when I had the sway bar doing it's job I would hit a bump on one side and the truck would jerk from side to side (because the sway bar connects both sides of the truck obviously) and after I took it off I could hit a bump and only the side the bump was on was affected.
     
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