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Death Valley Off-Road Adventures

Discussion in 'Off-Roading & Trails' started by Crom, Nov 14, 2009.

  1. Feb 3, 2019 at 12:05 PM
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    dman100

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    Thanks, I picked the direction because we’d probably come over 178 from our side of the hill (we’re in Santa Cruz and going up to 88 or 50 to cross in winter is a long way), and up through Olancha (and fuel up there) to the Lee Flat side of things. But maybe the smoothness and downhill of North Pass warrants going up to Big Pine and back down, as it were. In NP and out SP is perhaps the way to do it, if NP looks like it would be sketchy going back up. I’m just being super-cautious because it’s my friends’ first real off-pavement excursion, and our wives are coming along. FYI on the Saline FB group someone mentioned chaining up all 4 on an F250 a few days ago to get up NP, so that triggered some doubt.
     
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  2. Feb 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM
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    ...another forum states the broken axle from this swap left the remains, i can't verify
     
  3. Feb 4, 2019 at 2:14 PM
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    Sad
     
  4. Feb 4, 2019 at 2:36 PM
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    Sad if it's the case. But if it can't be verified, why spread rumors?
     
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  5. Feb 4, 2019 at 2:40 PM
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    Well, there is this photo of the abandoned axle taken two weeks ago:

    Axle3.jpg

    So while no one can verify it is still there right this second it was still there a number of weeks after they did the axle swap.
     
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  6. Feb 4, 2019 at 3:01 PM
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    Here's another pic of the axle housing swap that I haven't posted anywhere..
    20181229_131345.jpg
     
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  7. Feb 4, 2019 at 5:07 PM
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    Perfect.

    Please note that I'm not suggesting that leaving your shit behind is OK. Just don't like spreading rumors.
     
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  8. Feb 4, 2019 at 6:26 PM
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    Well it’s pretty easy to track down whom the offending party is and report it to the parks department, whom can go recover the axle and send the offending party the bill.
     
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  9. Feb 4, 2019 at 9:52 PM
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    utah plates and all
     
  10. Feb 4, 2019 at 10:20 PM
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    Maybe they are active at overlandbound, isn't that giant window sticker overlandbound's moto?
     
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  11. Feb 5, 2019 at 12:57 PM
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    The license plate is viewable half the picis send it to parks with pics off the axle left in place and screenshot the threads where they posted it up/etc.
     
  12. Feb 6, 2019 at 6:49 AM
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  13. Feb 6, 2019 at 7:56 AM
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    Thanks for sharing. A lot to absorb here, but this quote puzzled me, regarding using entrance fees for cleanup:
    “The controversial move was questioned by many, including some congressional Democrats who argue it may have been illegal given the fees are expressly designated to support visitor services, not basic maintenance. ”

    I mean, isn’t basic maintenance a visitor service? Anyway, that’s kind of a nit, but perhaps the core problem is that maybe there are too many services in DV. I mean, I certainly use their dumpsters and toilets when available, but if not available or trash cans are full, I leave no trace, pack in/pack out etc. Always have, always will. Our local State Beaches have constantly overflowing trash bins with bagged (or loose) trash piled next to them (or just left on the sand) so the shutdown isn’t really the root cause of this behavior. Lots of BLM Land has no real services, and while some of it is trashed, many visitors there know what is expected.

    Perhaps the NPS or the Furnace Creek Inn folks should have just left cases of trash bags and signs instructing folks to haul out their crap, and handled this as a teaching moment. I dunno ...
     
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  14. Feb 6, 2019 at 8:05 AM
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    I think gov often hangs conditions for how money is handled. In the end, it all comes from the same pocket, yours. And in the end, these accounting rules complicate managing the parks by adding to the cost.
     
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  15. Feb 6, 2019 at 9:14 AM
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    Bigger root of the problem is that people are entitled fucking slobs. Trash can full? Go find another one or hold onto your trash until you get to the next gas station.
     
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    Yeah, I can see how there would be restrictions on using an expense fund for capital improvements, or even using visitor service funds to acquire new trucks for rangers, but seems like providing clean bathrooms IS a service to visitors. Unfortunately these visitor actions will just brand all of us as “4wd yahoos”.
     
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    The only way to fight the stigma of '4wd yahoos' is to document and report (with photos/videos) irresponsible/illegal behaviors to appropriate authorities. Date/time, location photos with plate numbers and people face pictures are really helpful.
     
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  18. Feb 10, 2019 at 7:05 PM
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    The article noted that people drove on the playa in Panamint Valley. I'm curious of the location because the majority of Panamint Valley is outside the park border. The source of the information is also suspect due to it's self proclaimed mission: "Center for American Progress Action Fund, a progressive public policy research and advocacy organization". I would much rather like to see some investigation from non-polarized groups. While some information comes straight from the park superintendent and other employees other information is purely for tugging on heart strings. I don't dispute trash and human waste were a problem nor that people acted without any self reliance or discipline but parts of the article come from and support a specific viewpoint.
     
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    Well, as the article states at the start the documents and images are from the park service themselves and were obtained under a FOIA request. The article is just pulling incidents, photos and quotes out of those documents but all the information is from reports made by the NPS themselves. I'm not sure what article you read but I just re-read it carefully and it is mostly composed of direct quotes either from the NPS reports themselves or from the acting superintendents. Do you have any examples of "purely for tugging on heart strings"?

    As to the location of the donuts there is a photo in the article itself which quite clearly shows they are on the playa just south of the 190 and just east of Panamint Valley Road. That area of the playa is inside the park.
     
  20. Feb 11, 2019 at 3:36 AM
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    Not that this is the case in this instance but often, activists cherry pick and organize their “research” for a desired effect. Sort of like the evening news-you can watch two stories on different stations and come away with two different views on a story.
     
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