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Death Valley Off-Road Adventures

Discussion in 'Off-Roading & Trails' started by Crom, Nov 14, 2009.

  1. Aug 27, 2020 at 6:55 AM
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    Anybody else not know that Ubehebe Crater was once called "Coyote's Basket" by Native Americans?

    One of my favorite series is called Aerial America and today (it first aired in 2016), they're focusing on Southern California. It's fitting they should start with Death Valley.What's sort of ironic is the mention of the 134º max temp being the "hottest" in the world when just a couple of weeks ago, 136º became the record breaker.

    And they talk about the BW Marathon which actually goes through the Owens Valley...
     
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  3. Sep 2, 2020 at 2:18 PM
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    "Resource Managers" are two key words. They often create the same conditions that allow massive burns.

    For example, after the massive Hayman Fire southwest of Denver the official recovery plan was seed the area with fast growing non-native grass and plant pine saplings.

    That was stupid, locals planted native willows along the waterways as a firebreak. Recovery plan should have also included planting native buffalo grass and aspen. Just goofy to plant pines as a recovery effort when planting aspen would prevent a catastrophic fire for 50 years.
     
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    The short fix produces trees and grasses immediately (nearly so) and hopefully prevents seasonal erosion. In the end, just makes the place a little more flammable.
     
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    I think the article was pretty good.

    I'm pretty sure it's not just grazing. The reality is, all who visit may unknowingly spread and take seed. Whether it's on tires, your shoes as you hike through the park, birds, and so on. Maybe not the same rate as the cows though.
     
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    Yes, now that the invasive species are there they spread plenty of ways other than by cattle. The were originally distributed by hitching a ride on the coats of grazers brought from Europe but now that they are here they spread just fine without the grazers.

    What was interesting to me in the article was that the dense Joshua tree forests like on Cima may have achieved their density only because of grazing. The grazers don’t eat the blackbrush which is a nursery species for Joshua trees. So you end up with a landscape with far more blackbrush than usual which then means far more Joshua tree seedlings can reach maturity than is usual. So these unusually dense Joshua tree forests that have become iconic are perhaps not natural to begin with!
     
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    How these areas become what they are is a bit of a conundrum for sure.
     
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    Some August wandering in the northern half of the park. Was a fun moment to be out of the truck and have two fighter jets take a hot lap through a nearby canyon.

    IMG_1610.jpg IMG_1617.jpg IMG_1675.jpg
     
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    What irritates me is in alpine areas after a burn pines are replanted. Anywhere in North America over 7000' elevation aspen is native.

    There's been a heroic effort to replant pines after a burn when the smart thing is plant aspen in alpine areas. Aspen spread fast on open terrain after a burn, a single aspen can produce about 100 clones underground in a year via the suckering they do from the roots of the original tree.

    And aspen doesn't burn. Cut a live aspen branch, throw it into a firepit and it will douse the fire. Cut a live pine branch, throw it into a firepit and it will escalate the fire.
     
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    Never mind that pines look like shit where aspen should be.
     
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    Wait.... what?!? where? Furnace Creek?
     
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    ah ok, I just wikipedia'ed it... there is some debate on accurate temperature monitoring equipment in 1913..
     
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    I think in 1913, you just have to accept what it said. Can't compare to today's weather instruments.
     
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    Well my stupid '14 T/X Baja doesn't have a damn temp gauge so I can't tell you exactly... camped at 7k though and the low was in the 50's. Highs where I drove were upper 80's to mid 90's. Good eyes recognizing it. Lightly traveled area of the park.
     
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    Yep... the highest TRD trims in 2014 and 2015 lack that. I did some googling and the solution on TW was buy a 2001 Yukon mirror and wire it up with a dongle, but it was like $300 said and done & I think the guy making the dongles stopped doing so. Too much work so I guess now.. a handheld kestrel meter would be good though to know general temps & I'd love to get windspeed too.
     
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