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Diagnostics Using ChatGPT

Discussion in 'General Tacoma Talk' started by Hesso, Jun 18, 2025 at 9:24 AM.

  1. Jun 19, 2025 at 11:55 AM
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    b_r_o

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    So you're ok paying 30-35% while they pay somewhere between zero and 15-20%?

    That shit doesn't "trickle down".. they take those savings, move them into offshore accounts and the money is gone forever.
     
  2. Jun 19, 2025 at 12:06 PM
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    But I should get outta here, I'm just going to start arguing of I keep it up
     
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    Case in point:
    Data center operators down in Prince William county didn't like their tax assessments, so they're waging lawfare against the county(other taxpayers).

    https://www.princewilliamtimes.com/...cle_d715d418-b061-11ef-853d-6fffcb7aa800.html
     
  4. Jun 19, 2025 at 12:52 PM
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    What am I going to do get mad about it and vote. I could move to a more tax payer friendly state, but that won't solve the issue. Protest in the streets like a loser? Become the subject of the latest manhunt? Non of that sounds like a good idea to me.
     
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    lol. literate, but not accurate!
     
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    it's the same reason we're 'stuck' at level 3 autonomy. they(the mfg's) offload the liability to the vehicle owner. by requiring them to be conscious in the drivers seat, or commanding the vehicle to go park, the driver/owner is the party liable for damages.
     
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    It's also because level 4 (full control, most conditions) is darned hard, and even most humans can't do level 5 'everywhere in all conditions'.

    Refresher -

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    So, part of the definition of level 3 'when the feature requests' is that it give you ample time to assume control, but the liability is still on the software while it has control. See the Merc version - https://media.mbusa.com/releases/au...ertified-sae-level-3-system-for-the-us-market / https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a39481699/what-happens-if-mercedes-drivepilot-causes-a-crash/

    ...

    As for parking the Hyundai (or whatever) from outside the car? Your rig is just being a giant RC car and thus, you still have liability if you hit someone.

    ...

    Tbh, I don't really care about data center folks shopping jurisdictions and chasing deals, that's what every sane person should be doing. But I also don't really care if someone lives in, say Vancouver WA (0 income tax) and shops in Portland, OR (0 sales tax). Just makes sense.
     
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  8. Jun 19, 2025 at 7:38 PM
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    “AI isn’t real and it’s ruining everything anyway” - someone I know working on competition to LLM models
     
  9. Jun 20, 2025 at 6:43 AM
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    If you can't park from the driver's seat how are you going to do a better job from outside the vehicles using your phone.

    Do you stop in a busy street jump out run over to the sidewalk and parallel park with your phone? By the time you do that traffic will be on your bumper and you won't be able to back up. All you'll be able to do is back into the traffic behind you.

    I'm surprised seat belt laws don't apply even though you aren't behind the wheel you are driving.
     
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    Saying 'please' and 'thank you' to ChatGPT costs millions of dollars, CEO says
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech...-you-chatgpt-openai-energy-costs/83207447007/

    Being polite to artificial intelligence can be quite expensive. OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said on social media last week that saying "please" and "thank you" to ChatGPT has cost the company quite a bit of money.

    Think about that.....
    The added cost of the characters and processing time that it takes to handle "Please" and "Thank you" add up to MILLIONS of dollars. Those dollars are used to purchase electricity and water.

    Most of your AI Server Farms are looking to add on Small Scale Nuclear Generation on site because they are using that much horsepower right now. A single Nuclear Reactor can produce about 14 MEGAWATTS. At small scale that would be roughly 7 to 10 Megawatts. Who is paying for that level of electricity - remember... If you aren't paying for the product, you are the product. Think about that. Someone is making enough money off of the free AI users to build Nuke Plants.
     
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    In Loudoun, there are over 200 datacenters on line, with another hundred something approved or under construction.
    By 2028, these datacenters will be consuming almost 12 GIGAWATTS of juice. That's ~10 Million homes worth of electricity.

    Water consumption is a debated topic, with estimates running 200,000 to 500,000 gallons per facility. That's 1000 homes' worth of water times 200+. And we've been in a year-long drought here that just ended this week.
     
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    According to a recent cnn report, Zuckerberg is offering $100,000,000 signing bonuses to Open Ai employees. Zuckerberg is also clearing out his Menlo Park office so that his ai development team is next to his desk.
    Oh it’s real and unsustainable. People can’t scale up ….its a zero sum game.
     
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    Silicon Valley looks like a fully stuffed printed circuit board from space. We’re paying $500 monthly for electricity and the utility company is telling us there won’t be enough power to go around for the next heat wave.
     
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    And yet somehow we think this is a net positive... Seems legit for our messed up society :crazy::facepalm:
     
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    So you're saying you haven't had a narrow parking spot before where the person next to you parked wayyyyy too close for you to open the door. Would be nice to be able to say, back it up enough to get in, no, instead of doing some contortions to get in from the passenger side or whatever? Like all things below L3-5, it would just be a tool for an attentive driver, not a replacement for driving.
     
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    Not really I'm very slender, if I can't open the door I can't open the door so it would still be a problem. Yes that's about the only situation where that tech could come in handy. I'm just think about fighting to parallel parking, or people fighting to get a parking spot. By the time you get out some one will take the spot. Why back in when you can pull in? Costanza!
     
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    Isn't AI just another algorithm?
     
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    It is ….but the scientists and investors will tell you it’s not. They’ll have you believe it’s a whole new life form.
     

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