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Did Weapons Fail U.S. Troops During Afghanistan Assault?

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by Packman73, Oct 11, 2009.

  1. Oct 11, 2009 at 9:13 AM
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    Sounds like our troops need some LWRCs. :cool:


    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,563883,00.html

     
  2. Oct 11, 2009 at 9:14 AM
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    LWRCs ?
     
  3. Oct 11, 2009 at 9:18 AM
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    Piston operated M4s.

    Like this one on the bottom;
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    The bolts don't get hot/dirty and jam.
     
  4. Oct 11, 2009 at 9:37 AM
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    this is what the special forces are using.

    The command selected FN Herstal to develop SCAR in 2004 after holding a competition to find a reliable, modular weapon system for its elite forces.
    The SCAR has a short-stroke, gas-piston operating system. The upper receiver is aluminum and houses a free-floating barrel for improved accuracy. The lower receiver is polymer to help reduce weight. Both versions can be equipped with different barrel lengths to suit missions ranging from close-quarter fights to long-range shooting.
    Operators can chose a 10-inch, 14-inch or 18-inch barrel for the MK16 and a 13-inch, 16-inch or 20-inch barrel for the heavier MK17. Each of these can be changed out by the shooter in minutes, FN officials say. The MK16 uses a 30-round magazine; the MK17 uses a 20-rounder. Eighty percent of the parts are common to both the light and heavy versions to reduce long-term maintenance costs, FN officials say.
    The SCAR also includes the MK13 40mm grenade launcher, designed to fit on both the MK16 and MK17 or fire in the stand-alone mode.
    Like the M4A1, both versions of the SCAR can fire on full automatic. The conventional Army’s M4 carbine uses a three-round burst instead of full auto.
     
  5. Oct 11, 2009 at 9:39 AM
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    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Thor

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    Personally, a 90% satisfaction rating is unacceptable. The troops need a weapon they are 100% comfortable with. This is their weapon to protect/defend lives for Christs sake!
     
  6. Oct 11, 2009 at 9:42 AM
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    X999999999999999999

    They need to be able to depend on their weapon since their lives (as well as others') depends on it working.
     
  7. Oct 11, 2009 at 9:42 AM
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    Hey Packerfan, aren't you over at XD forum's as well?

    I just joined here at TacomaWorld. Just purchased a 2010 Black Sand Pearl Toyota Tacoma, short bed, double cab, 4x4, 4.0 liter V6, 5 speed auto, TRD Sports Extra Value Package. I had an 09 Subaru WRX but it was a POS.
     
  8. Oct 11, 2009 at 9:43 AM
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    I hear those are sweet but the LWRC is American made and has 80% commonality with the existing M4.
     
  9. Oct 11, 2009 at 9:44 AM
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    I sure am. Welcome to TW. :)
     
  10. Oct 11, 2009 at 9:44 AM
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    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Thor

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    Fn makes some quality firearms...I would like to see those with our troops.
     
  11. Oct 11, 2009 at 9:45 AM
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    ;)
     
  12. Oct 11, 2009 at 9:46 AM
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    Yes...But I havent heard of the LWRC being 100% either.....sorry. :(
     
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    i do not get to carry a gun in my job (medic) but if i did i would want the scar. just cause it looks bad ass. i qualify on an m16 every 2 years and have to say it's pretty bad ass as well. i have gotten marksmen 3 out of 4 times with it.
     
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    I have a hard time believing that with 70,000 rounds through test rifles with zero malfunctions.
     
  15. Oct 11, 2009 at 9:53 AM
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    X10000! Completely agree!
     
  16. Oct 11, 2009 at 9:59 AM
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    That SCAR is a badass weapon. Danger Room reported that this would eventually replace the M4, but it comes down to $$... BS.
     
  17. Oct 11, 2009 at 10:18 AM
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    I have no idea the conditions and free time and maintenance training available over there.. but there is a lot to be said for cleaning and maintaining your weapon. Part of me thinks it may not just be a poor design, but also a lack of proper care.
    Again, not to shift blame off the weapon, but the article does mention needing a lot of maintenance (dirty?), a lot of that could be fixed by breaking the weapon down and cleaning it.
     
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    My issue weapon is a FN made M16 and I have never had any problems with it. zero malfunctions.
     
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    I can see the need for cleaning, but when you are living in a dust bowl, with lots of blowing sand, keeping anything clean would be next to impossible.
     
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    U.S. Concealed Carry - The Ultimate Resource for the Armed Citizen
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LWRC AR15 bites the Dust[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]An overview with pictures [/FONT]​
    This is a 10.5” (SBR) Litner Wise, well it is a LWRC, (Land Warfare Resources Corporation), Which is formerly the Leitner-Wise Rifle Company. We put this rifle in the dirt to test it's function under extreme conditions. Not only did it work, it worked flawlessly each time we preformed the test
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    We were out at the local shooting spot and decided to see how much abuse this strong, reliable AR15 could take. It took all we gave it and worked through all our tests
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    The configuration tested. 1. A stock of some kind 2. A V-TAC sling 3. Some kind of an EOtech optic 4 Surefire vert grip w/ lights
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    To start we gently put the rifle on the ground
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    After it landed we started the dust portion of the test
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    Kicking fine dust and dirt into most AR15s is going to stop them from working well for the most part. Although this treatment is not recommended for any rifles.. or most anything else for that matter
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    Kicking dirt on to most of the gun, not the barrel of course, but being sure to hit the receiver
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    The gas vents from a hole under the handguards, so extra dirt was kicked here to attempt a failure
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    Once it was covered in dust we tested function.
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    A quick slap to remove most of the dust was all to get ready for shooting
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    Dust was still falling from the rifle as the first test shots were taken.
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    This LWRC functioned perfectly, with no failures. All the extra dust was thrown off the rifle with the first few shots
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    Aside from the momentary cloud of dust that stopped after a few shots there was no sign this rifle had been covered in dust just moments before. This kind of reliability is typically thought to be available from only an AK47, but this LWRC may do a lot to change that
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    After the testing the rifle was dirty but working well. The EOtech needed a cleaning, but was still operable as well. A lens cover for the light and rubber boots over the LEDs kept the lenses in good shape. Nothing else on this AR was effected by our testing. (Our testers face is blurred so that if he ever meets the guys at LWRC they won't know what he did to one of their rifles :)
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    For our testing this day we went through every barrel cap we brought with to the range. They are designed to cover the barrel and crown from dirt, rocks and even water to some extent. They are simply plastic so they can be shot through if needed. Here's what they look like before and after
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    Will this LWRC gas piston AR15 end the debate on which is better the AR15 vs the AK47 ??
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