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Different country...different design for the same basic truck...why?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas' started by Kingfrog, Apr 20, 2011.

  1. Apr 20, 2011 at 5:07 PM
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    Kingfrog

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    Diesel is not the point. I completely understand the diesel concept because of high fuel prices relative to the US. We don't pay jack for fuel compared to most of the rest of the world. The US automakers briefly tried diesel back during the 70's "oil crisis"..It fell flat as soon as gas went down a little and the same would happen again. I would buy a diesel (almost bought a TDI VW for the wife) but found the premium price for a diesel is not amortized by the fuel savings at $4 gasoline for the miles we drive. People in this country forget about MPG as soon as fuel drops below $3..Then there are all those signs with diesel costing far more per gallon...psychological barrier

    The design is what I wonder about. Who does the research and decides the "sloped" front is what Aussies want? I am not making a judgement call on Aussies "tastes", more about Toyota's research into those tastes.

    The America's Taco look's more "muscular" meh....That's opinion. It's simply amazing to me the research and marketing teams are able to look at a population of buyers in countries and decide what they will like and build the same truck in two very different wrappers for different cultures.
     
  2. Apr 20, 2011 at 5:09 PM
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    Ease up on the broad strokes....I hate my 3 leaf pack, and will be paying money to fix it...missed TSB eligibility by 3 mos!!:mad:

    I don't care who you are...that's funny!!! :laughing:


    x10 .... I'd buy one in a heartbeat!!!

    Valid points....and too bad....:(

    With the direction fuel costs are going, I don't how much longer the "macho" thing can last...kind of like the old "more money than common sense" or my personal favorite "educated beyond their intelligence." Not sure that second one applies in context...but it's still one of my favorites. :D
     
  3. Apr 20, 2011 at 5:11 PM
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    The sloped front gives them front visibility over their ARB bumpers .
     
  4. Apr 20, 2011 at 5:17 PM
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    LOL I see nothing in the design that is related to having a diesel engine.....Just a whole different wrapper. Are the American/Canadian Tacoma's really THAT ugly to Aussies? and the Mexicans? IS America and Canada the only places with our design?

    A vast majority of Americans would not buy diesel, especially when you have an administration shitting all over fossil fuels and pushing Duracell engines...unless of course some Hollywood stars started driving diesels....
     
  5. Apr 20, 2011 at 5:20 PM
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    Yes , unless they are sold in Mexico as well .
     
  6. Apr 20, 2011 at 5:26 PM
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    tinker_troy

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    What about them Icelander dudes?
     
  7. Apr 20, 2011 at 5:32 PM
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    tinker_troy I feel so Devo

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    The question was answered in the first post; Tacoma looks beefier.
    And if you are going to pay all the money to have them built here, might as change the wrapper to something that is going to appeal to the local market.
     
  8. Apr 20, 2011 at 5:34 PM
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    OZ-T

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    They get the Tacoma as well don't they .

    I would say it's a greater NAFTA area
     
  9. Apr 20, 2011 at 6:38 PM
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    I am pretty sure diesel is related to emission standards that are higher in US then anywhere else on the planet (thank California for that and liberals )
    Tacoma is not full size so it has different emission standard then lets say F-150
    So no Diesel because I am pretty sure nobody would be happy with 90-110 HP engine in 4000 LB truck.
    Also I am pretty sure majority people would complain about ride quality in those trucks. European Hilux rides like a ..dump truck 2gen rides like limousine things like A/C, CD, power windows/locks are extra and expensive. To make simpler consumers in US market are spoiled (I know I am :D )
     
  10. Apr 20, 2011 at 6:41 PM
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    Actually I know for the fact that many of my friends in Europe love the look of 2gen. And there are many imported there already. Grass is always greener on the other side ;)
     
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    That is indeed the common name 'down under' for Aussie Trac (A-TRAC)... ARB Corp. spends billions convincing the average buyer in Australia, that lockers are still better! The Hilux and Prada drivers know better! :D

    G'day OZ-T ;)
     
  12. Apr 20, 2011 at 7:59 PM
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    HP is meaningless...it's all about the torque. They could easily produce a small diesel motor that made 120-150 HP and 250+ ft. lbs. of torque. And it would get 30+ MPG's if geared properly.
     
  13. Apr 20, 2011 at 8:25 PM
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  14. Apr 20, 2011 at 10:07 PM
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    It's got LSD man.....
    Tacos are sold in the US, Mexico, and Costa Rica oddly enough. Mexico and CR only get 4 door TRD sports
     
  15. Apr 20, 2011 at 10:19 PM
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    Could not have said it better. Oh and here we also have the typical ''it won't start during winter'' against diesels.
     
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    Saying the tacoma and hilux are the same truck is like saying the 4 runner and fj cruiser are the same truck. They are totally different with some common parts.
     
  17. Apr 20, 2011 at 10:26 PM
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    Correction;

    from the site, the 3.0 diesel engine has 169HP/253LB-FT TQ.

    Which is way... way better than our GAS 2.7.

    And a combined fuel economy of 9.3L/100 KM for the 4x4
     
  18. Apr 21, 2011 at 4:55 AM
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    doesn't the hilux have a 1 ton rating? compared to our 1/2 ton

    That'd mean a lot of differences in frame, axle, etc.

    It's sad to me that no-one makes a small pickup in the US anymore... especially one that gets good MPG like the old Toyota trucks used to even while being beat on.
     
  19. Apr 21, 2011 at 4:59 AM
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    :laughing: I would love a diesel tacoma!!!
     
  20. Apr 21, 2011 at 5:01 AM
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    then change your congressman
     
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