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Discussion in 'Military' started by YayAreaTaco0311, Jan 7, 2012.

  1. Jan 8, 2012 at 4:38 PM
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    Thanks for taking the time to explain it. I understand but I don't sympathize.
     
  2. Jan 8, 2012 at 5:17 PM
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    I would have earlier but couldn't figure out how to put it into words if that makes sense haha!!!

    If you grow up in a military family, or are in the military you have very little tolerance for people who disrespect the military.

    Especially if someone you know gave their life for it.


    Some people take little things disrespectful and others it takes something big to disrespect them.


    To each their own.
     
  3. Jan 8, 2012 at 5:36 PM
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    It's pretty clear you don't know what you are talking about. The dedication and sacrifice those who Honor have made to give these hacks the ability to do what they do isn't a matter of if the insignias are on right or the medals are in the right order. The ribbons on that jacket mean something to some of us....Him using them as fashion accessories is pathetic and dispicable.

    See above. The heros in the country...The men and women who have died to keep it free don't warrant this kind of disrespect...and making a mockery of the uniform they wore and many others still do is just that.
     
  4. Jan 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM
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    In regards to your coment you might want to read Title 10, united states code section 771(10 usc 771). Unauthorized wearing prohibited and also under article 134 of the UCMJ. Also to your last statement is why I wrote it takes someone with honor to wear the uniform correctly.
     
  5. Jan 8, 2012 at 6:11 PM
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    I'm confused by what you're trying to say to Brunes, regardless of whether they are honorable or not they're still in violation of that USC. Neither of them are subject to the UCMJ so that's irrelevant

    10USC771
    Except as otherwise provided by law, no person except a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps, as the case may be, may wear - (1) the uniform, or a distinctive part of the uniform, of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps; or (2) a uniform any part of which is similar to a distinctive part of the uniform of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps.
     
  6. Jan 8, 2012 at 6:12 PM
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    So technically couldn't they get fined for that?
     
  7. Jan 8, 2012 at 6:20 PM
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    Check this out, I skimmed over it briefly but it seems to have a lot of bearing on this discussion

    http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/a/uniformwear_3.htm

    Edit: ok I'm getting back to writing my evals for work...TW has sucked me in once again. fml
     
  8. Jan 8, 2012 at 6:22 PM
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    I'm not sure what you are trying to argue here- Check out section (2) of the cite you made to 10USC771. It doesn't need to be "worn to regs" to be a unauthorized wearing of the uniform. Those covers, jackets, medals are all distinctive parts or similar to a distinctive part.
    They aren't in the military and Art 134 is the General Article...I'm not sure what you are getting at with that either.
    And then there is 18USC704-Under contention right now- but the Stolen Valor Act of 2011 was introduced in May of 2011. Both relating to the use/wear of some of those ribbons those choads were playing with.

    The bottom line is correctly or incorrectly- They are scum bags who dishonor people who have integrity the likes of which they will never understand or show by "playing dress-up" (cause all hard mother fucking rappers play dress up right?)
     
  9. Jan 8, 2012 at 6:29 PM
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    Its a federal offense to wear the uniform of the commisioned/enlisted. Such as in movies they alter it/not wear it completely correct to regs to keep the apperance that they are not trying to impersonate a military member. It is a fine line they walk when doing so. Being a Vet who has served 2 tours in combat the fashion acc. he is wearing is not a regulation military uniform so it is just that a fashion acc. Now had a been wearing a reg. uniform without earning the right to do so to me is a sign of disrespect.
     
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    imo Whether there are written rules against it or not it's more of a moral/respect thing. The people who earned the rights to wear that uniform have gone through some of the toughest training I know of. They give heart, sweat, and blood the wear them and that shouldn't be disgraced by some rappers, or any civi for that matter, who want to look cool and they, the enlisted or vets, wear them with pride. I know that if my friend Brian, who was just sent back to Asscrackastan as he so lovingly refers to it, saw something like this he'd be all over them. I've seen him chew a guy out about his rank pin on his collar being pinned on wrong. I unfortunately am not military so I wouldn't dare wear a dress uniform however I do wear a shirt that has USMC on the front of it which was given to me by my friend Michael, who was killed in Kuwait, which I believe is fine but I don't try to pass off as a Marine, to big of a beer gut to even try. People die for that uniform why disrespect it? It's a thing of principals and morals more than anything else. imo
     
  11. Jan 8, 2012 at 6:34 PM
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  12. Jan 8, 2012 at 6:35 PM
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    Incorrect IRT inaccuracies in movies- They are legally allowed to wear a complete correct replica. Go read 10USC772(f).
    Again-Read the words in the cite you gave and then realize that those covers and jackets are not Target brand knockoffs....The are distinctive part or similar to them. Illegal and disrespectful.


    Don't spew the story you heard a buddy tell one time like it's fact because you were in the military. Make sure you know what you are talking about.
     
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    That lloyd banks and tony yayo from ggggggg unit!!!! Making us marines look like scum bags non military should not be able to buy and wear military uniforms but i know theres no way of controlling that
     
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    FWIW Most of the comment on that video are strongly against them using the uniform in that way which basically means that his own fans think that what they are doing is wrong.
     
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    Section F states if they are portraying the military in good light.
    Usually a petition/script is put in to the DOD for review and when showing correct repr. of the military they will support the project and lend consulting for accuracy.
    If not in good light then the DOD does not support the project in which you end up with exactly what the picture shows, crooked patches, backward ribbons and all. Not spewing any stories from buddies either. Also not trying to get in a large debate, I just have a diff. view of it.
     
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    I would hope so, or if your going to wear the uniform at least wear it with the respect it deserves
     
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    You are all over the map man. I don't mind if you have a different opinion- but it is LEGALLY WRONG to wear the uniform the way they are wearing it. And IMO it is incredibly disrespectful and distasteful.

    772(F) says if they are portraying the military for theatrical reasons they are allowed to wear the uniform (debunking your messed up uniforms in film argument).
    771(1)&(2) says if you wear the uniform or parts of the uniform or things that look like the uniform it's illegal. That debunks your "out of regs" argument.

    You are welcome to keep thinking it's no big deal- but get the points of law correct. If you are going to point out that you've done combat duty and were a vet and then make claims that are incorrect- You are going to damage your own credibility and look like a fool, all while muddying the water on an important conversation.
     
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    If you wear one of the uniforms of our nation's armed forces as a sport coat, just because you think it looks cool, you are a scumbag. Even if you play music I like.
    Off the subject, there should be a mandatory retirement age for "rock stars". Say 50?
     
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    I dont know what the whole bold "LEGALLY WRONG" is therebecause I never said it wasnt, see prev. post infact go back and read all my post:

    Its a federal offense to wear the uniform of the commisioned/enlisted. Such as in movies they alter it/not wear it completely correct to regs to keep the apperance that they are not trying to impersonate a military member. It is a fine line they walk when doing so. Being a Vet who has served 2 tours in combat the fashion acc. he is wearing is not a regulation military uniform so it is just that a fashion acc. Now had a been wearing a reg. uniform without earning the right to do so to me is a sign of disrespect.

    And now the complete section F which stated "In good light" i.e not to discredit:
    (f) While portraying a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or
    Marine Corps, an actor in a theatrical or motion-picture production
    may wear the uniform of that armed force if the portrayal does not
    tend to discredit that armed force.

    I like how you keep leaving that last part out. Now compare every spoof movie which does not portray the Armed forces in good light and watch the uniforms, then watch actual portrials and notice the uniforms are down to a T.


    As far as my "Debunking" of the out of regs comment, mess your uniform up and walk around a the first thing a superior will tell you is " you are out of uniform" why? because you are wearing it out of regulation.

    Now for the finale, I am going to keep looking at it like they arent wearing the uniform correctly, its out of regs, so it isnt a military uniform, because that is how I view it. Your a moderator so you can go back and read all my post because again NO WHERE was it stated by me that it wasnt illegal just that " Such as in movies they alter it/not wear it completely correct to regs to keep the apperance that they are not trying to impersonate a military member. It is a fine line they walk when doing so". Tell me if Tom Cruise served time for the movie a few good men, then look at the folks that caused the reason for items like the stolen valor act which used the uniforms and medals to deceive the people. Just trying to use my freedom of expression, oh wait?
     
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