Disturbing conversation at work.

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agreed, as a seasonal worker, the unemployment I pay into is a must. Hell Im using it right now after getting laid off a few months ago, its supporting my family right now.

 

I don't think a lot of you guys understand what unemployment is. It's not something just anyone not working can get. It's not something you can get if you were fired and it's not something you can get if you only worked at a job for a few months. There is no possible way that this guy is receiving unemployment benefits if he got fired from a job. They are very strict on it, first thing they do is contact the employer and verify the reason of unemployment. You must take placement tests and attend meetings and actively search for work on a continual basis that they verify.

I am actually on it at the moment and this is my 4th month. I got laid off when a location of my prior company closed without notice. I had been working there for 3+ years. Most companies these days seem to be promoting from within, so it is really hard to find a similar job with anywhere close to the same pay that I was making. I have my bachelors degree but hadn't been working in my field, so there for no experience. It's not easy. Unemployment sucks. Luckily I had a decent amount saved to help pay bills, but you do not receive much on unemployment, not enough to live on it alone that's for sure. It's hard to tell people that you are not working. Not something to be proud of that's for sure.

 

Entitlement society, get used to it.

 

I stopped reading because the part in bold is false. There is being fired for cause, and being fired without cause. Even with cause the majority of time unless what you were doing was illegal you can still get unemployment. In this guys case, it all boils down to how his company did his termination paperwork. Companies don't want to be labeled as fighting against people getting their unemployment so even if he was caught drinking on the job a lot of companies won't include that in the actual paperwork.

 

another interesting subject: I was laid off alot when employed by BETHLEHEM STEEL. never once bid I feel like I was taking anything that I didn't deserve. I paid plenty of taxes, and as mentioned prior, the steel paid into the unemployment fund.
OH YEA! I could have gotten a job, for less money than the unemployment paid, DUH!, and we "HAD" to have a state check to be able to collect SUB (supplemental unemployment benefits). also, since you're working for another company, and if you would get injured or killed on the job, do you think that the steel would have paid for that?
also it seemed that we were branded-WORKS FOR BETH. STEEL: DO NOT HIRE!, they knew we would be temp. workers, and return to the steel when recalled. GEEZ, I didn't want to loose 12-15-18-20, or whatever, years of service.
I'm an old man compared to most of you guys. went on pension at 49 yrs old, and have not worked a day since. this yr. pd. over 20K in fed. taxes. I'll take whatever they're willing to give me.
OH YEA! got penalized $7.00 on state tax, for underpaying; BUT, they owe me $3,700, that I overpaid. ?? (that came about from a banks mistake).
WHERE'S MY FREE CELL PHONE, AND FREE MINUTES-oh darn, I make too much! how come welfare can pay $75 extra for "entertainment", I don't get extra on my checks, but I'll take it, if they want to give it too me.
OH! and by the way, over $3K of the tax I pd. went for MEDICAID, AND OTHER SOCIAL PROGRAMS-(welfare,food stamps, etc.)
would I collect unemployment again if I could? ABSOLUTELY!!!!

 

Dang. I'm lucky. Dang friggen lucky.

 

That's actually exactly it. He'd been a long time worker there and my GM was easy going about his termination and made the reasoning something lesser. But why he actually got terminated was for sneaking alcohol in a Poland Springs water bottle and drinking it throughout the day. Guess I should have included that.

 

I would be less up in arms if people took a stance against that, fraud by a company/corporation, than taking an issue with people on unemployment. Blame the guy drinking who got unemployment is ok but if his company didn't lie he wouldn't of gotten it in the first place and this would be a non-issue.

 

Threads like this piss me off so much . Unemployment is a great tool. I never would have found a job post military without it. OP you do realize that you pay into unemployment every hour you work right? So technically its your money...

 

But... if you really like giving the government your money just don't claim unemployment

 

Are you even sure he's collecting? Most states you can't get unemployment if you got fired.

 

This, plus if he got fired and isn't looking for suitable work report him to your local worksource office for fraud.

Here is your states law for fraud. If you can prove that he was "fired" like you say you can simply report him using your local 1-800 number and he will have to pay back the money. Also if you can prove he isn't doing the required three job contacts a week you can get him to loose his money as well.

http://lwd.dol.state.nj.us/labor/forms_pdfs/wc/pdf/wc_law.pdf

34:15-57.4. Workers’ compensation fraud; criminal and civil penalties. 1.a. A person shall be guilty of a crime of the fourth degree if the person purposely or knowingly:
(1) Makes, when making a claim for benefits pursuant to R.S. 34:15-1 et seq., a false or misleading statement, representation or submission concerning any fact that is material to that claim for the purpose of wrongfully obtaining the benefits;
(2) Makes a false or misleading statement, representation or submission, including a misclassification of employees, or engages in a deceptive leasing practice, for the purpose of evading the full payment of benefits or premiums pursuant to R.S. 34:15-1 et seq.; or
(3) Coerces, solicits or encourages, or employs or contracts with a person to coerce, solicit or encourage, any individual to make a false or misleading statement, representation or submission concerning any fact that is material to a claim for benefits or the payment of benefits or premiums, pursuant to R.S. 34:15-1 et seq. for the purpose of wrongfully obtaining the benefits or of evading the full payment of the benefits or premiums.
b. Any person who wrongfully obtains benefits or evades the full payment of benefits or premiums by means of a violation of the provisions of subsection a. of this section shall be civilly liable to any person injured by the violation for damages and all reasonable costs and attorney fees of the injured person.
c. (1) If a person purposely or knowingly makes, when making a claim for benefits pursuant to R.S. 34:15-1 et seq., a false or misleading statement, representation or submission concerning any fact which is material to that claim for the purpose of obtaining the benefits, the division may order the immediate termination or denial of benefits with respect to the claim and a forfeiture of all rights of compensation or payments sought with respect to the claim.
(2) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, and in addition to any other remedy available under law, if that person had received benefits pursuant to R.S. 34:15-1 et seq. to which the person is not entitled, he is liable to repay the sum plus simple interest deducted from future benefits payable to that person, and the division shall issue an order providing for the repayment or deduction.
(3) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, and in addition to any other remedy available under law, a person who evades the full payment of premiums pursuant to R.S. 34:15-1 et seq. or improperly denies or delays benefits pursuant to R.S. 34:15-1 et seq. is liable to pay the sum due and owing plus simple interest.
d. Nothing in this section shall preclude, if the evidence so warrants, indictment and conviction for a violation of any provision of chapter 20, 21 or 28 of Title 2C of the New Jersey Statutes or any other law. For the purpose of this section, “purposely,” “knowingly” and “purposely or knowingly” have the same meaning as is provided in chapter 2 of Title 2C of the New Jersey Statutes.
2. This act shall take effect immediately.

 

last post was more in response to replys on origional post.
if you are fired from a job because of your own fault; like drinking on the job, or coming in wasted every day, taking off half the time, being totally incompetent, etc., you should not be able to collect anything, but most of those people will end up on SSI or some type of gov. program later on.
as for entitlements, SS is considered an entitlement by the goverment.
does that mean that when you become eligible to collect it, you should tell them that you don't want it, and just keep on working ? darn, now I'm starting to feel bad that I took my SS.
+ I got $4.00 extra from SS, for being in the military during a certain time frame. I'll take it. THANKS!! maby can buy an extra fishing lure every 2-3 months.

 

There's an off season for rig work? I work on rigs and I've never seen "off season." Once in a while some environmental regulation puts everyone in a given area down. It's grouse nesting season in CO and WY now, for example. No drilling allowed. But no worries, because there's plenty of work in OK, TX, and ND.

So if he's collecting unemployment for 2 months when he could easily head somewhere else, he really is a dirt bag.

 

A lot of employers don't want the legal hassle, former employees can sue if their EI claim is rejected, so the actual reason for termination isn't always reported.

 

One thing to keep in mind, the relatively small amount you contribute to the system would barely cover what you may recover in two or three months. You could work and contribute for 30 years, but what you receive in a few months will be much more than what you contributed over all those years. Millions of people contribute while relatively few receive the benefits, to consider it an entitlement is a slap in the face.

 

Of course building of roads, etc. are contracted out to private companies. So your unemployment work force earning their money are first of all unable to focus on getting a permanent job and second they would be causing existing construction workers to be unemployed.

 

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Rep to you sir!