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Do I need AAL with new frame and new 5100's in all 4 corners

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by Masi99, Dec 2, 2011.

  1. Dec 2, 2011 at 6:34 PM
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    I have read alot on this site about 5100's, I am new to this so I hope it is not old question. I am getting a new frame soon for my 04 xtra cab. I have 5100's on the way from DSMS. A couple of questions, what kind of lift can i expect from 5100's and stock coils and the new leafs in rear. DSMS says , should not need aal with new leafs and 5100 in rear. Should I go with new coils up front? Just getting started with a long term build. thanks for looking
     
  2. Dec 2, 2011 at 6:36 PM
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    with new leafs you shouldnt need an AAL. I used my old coils with the 5100s and I got about 2.5 inchs of lift.
     
  3. Dec 2, 2011 at 6:45 PM
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    What else would i need to replace at 2.5" lift or will stock work?
     
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    new UCAs are sometimes recomended but it seems to be hit and miss. thats usually if you go 3inchs or more
     
  5. Dec 2, 2011 at 6:54 PM
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    Can i keep the lift under 2.5" with setting on 5100's. What if I replace coils with OME coils while they are off. this is my daily driver but I would like to do some logging roads lite off-road.
     
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    with new coils you would get about 3 inches in the front. keep in mind you would still have to lift the back
     
  7. Dec 2, 2011 at 7:00 PM
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    Even with new factory leafs, should I aal right away or see how it sits for a while?
     
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    Go with new coils!
     
  9. Dec 2, 2011 at 7:03 PM
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    With a new frame and shocks I'd get quality stuff, no need to skimp. Get a 3 leaf AAL, new coils, and new UCA's. It'd be a great ride which for a daily driver is very important.
     
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    A 3 leaf AAL? The new frame will include new leafs. UCA's for allingement? Sorry can"t spell
     
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    I know there is a ton of info on coils here, but I'll ask anyway cause I"m new, what do you guys recomend for me.
     
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    If you get the OMe coils, don't get the 5100s. Get the OME struts and shocks to match. You will likely not need the UCAs.
     
  13. Dec 2, 2011 at 7:29 PM
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    WOW....

    If it were mine; have the dealer install the new 5100's WITH new OME springs (purchase the whole package at DSMS,better pricing plus ;) )...
    Once you get the truck back and DRIVE it...decide on lift...you can adjust the front IF YOU need...then decide if you NEED to add an AAL or a block or a shackle flip......

    My 2002 Tacoma X-tra cab was re-framed 06/09 and the NEW suspension brought my truck up 3/4" in front and 1" in back ( they re-used my oem springs for front and KYB HD shocks on all 4 corners....)

    My truck DOES see Class 4 & 6 roads PLUS every construction site I park my "Mack Office" at and I have not needed any lift package as of yet....the right tires and "Nut" behind the wheel can make for a capable rig.....




    Just my 2 cents .....
     
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    I already have the 5100's on order. what coil should i use with them and what aal.
     
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    Cancel them and get the OME. DSMS sells both.
     
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    Definitely !!!!!!
     
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    Sorry, I type pretty slow with response,thanks snoope and to all for help. I'll update when the frame is done.
     
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    The OME coils will work with the 5100s. But, why not get struts that are designed to work with the coils? All OME would be a matched set. I have never had the Billys, and the only experience I have is through the folks on here. Most are quite happy with them. I do know that Will (Tacomaman06) hated them and I think he broke one going down the road. He switched to the full OME setup and loves it.

    Get the dealer to do the install while the truck is apart. It should cost nothing as they already have to install those parts with the frame replacement.
     
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    Hey Snoope any advice on what to lookout for when i get the frame done? Or anyone have advice?
     
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    hi , i kinda had to chime in on this. i just had frame done in april, its been of the road since. i just got it out and started my lift. when i started with new frame, the truck sat perfectly level front to back. i bought for the front just 5100s and 5100s for the back. i installed them in the front. and re measured. i needed 2 inches in the back to sit level again. this is with the 5100's set at top notch with factory coils. i went with a wheelers add aleaf for the rear. i have it installed, but its not on the ground yet for final measurment, hopefully toay it will be. if you want i can let you know my final measurment.

    as far as having the dealer install everything, it depends on your dealer. mine was done by dorschel in rochester new york. they wanted full labor time for install. when i pointed out they were already getting paid to remove the old parts, they didnt care. you where gunna pay either way. thats why my truck has been off the road. i was so mad at there abortion job on my truck, i just shoved it in the barn and put my supra on the road for the summer. this is actually my plow/winter truck and i still had my tundra so i didnt miss it. so in good faith i have to repeat my previous mesages about frame replacemnet, stay OUT of dorschel toyota. there parts guys kick ass, but i wouldnt let there mechanics change the oil in my lawn mower. one day i should complile the list of parts missing off my truck, the broken steering rack and creative use of zip ties.

    sorry about the side rant, hope this info helps you out, let me know if you need any other answers.
     
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