Don't like being "strip searched" or "groped?"

You pay extra for that?

 

I think it's covered under the airport tax in the ticket cost. It shows up in my bank statement as something else though so no one suspects anything

 

I gotta get a new travel agent.

 

however, with it being Japan, if you try anything on them while they do it fists will probably fly out of their breasts with chains attached to them and a gattling gun will pop out of their belly button and destroy you....hentai ftw

 

1) You don't have a constitutional right to fly. You want to get on an airplane..You can accept the rules put in place or you can take a train.

2) I'd say the TSA does better than they get credit for. With the domestic and international traffic that gets around the airways everyday...The limited number of incidents that have occured is not abysmal performance. Just happens to be that when someone does hijack or bomb an airplane...Not much chance of survival...so they can catastrophic occurances.

3) You don't get to hear about what TSA does stop...I have. They do a lot more than you know about and you aren't going to hear about it.

4) I'll echo it- So you have everyone do nothing except look out for themselves?? That's patently crazy.

Using the word groping isn't correct. The definition of groping includes "without purpose" in all but one of the definitions. And the last one says "feeling for sexual pleasure." The folks that do that handle everyone...not just the hotties or anything. Cross gender pat downs are not a good idea...so there are some things that should be changed or enforced (My guess is that policy already exists and someone isn't paying attention...which is a person to person problem...not a "gov't" or "TSA" problem.

 

No, they should focus far more on baggage than people screening. Why? A bag with a bomb in it, once past security would be more damaging than anything a terrorist could get on a plane on their person. They should also give training advice and tips to travelers on how to address any suspicious activities and handling a mid-air conflict [when necessary]. Air marshals are not on every flight, but everyday travelers are. If a terrorist tries to cause mayhem on a flight, travelers will do their part and ensure the plot fails. Look at the Christmas day bomber - security didn't stop him, but passengers did.

Empowerment can go a long way. That is not to say they shouldn't do some checks, like checking for guns, because we do not need the wrong person with a gun on a plane. CPL holders/LEOs however might not be a bad group of people to allow weapons on a plane...

 

ummm....a little NSFW would have been nice

 

slmgt is 100% correct on this.

Anyone with a pilot's license can go into any small town airport and rent a plane for an hour/ afternoon. Anyone care to guess what kind of security checks (or lack there of) you have to go through to do this? Anyone know the weight/ cargo capacity of a commonly available Cessna 172? Terrorists don't have to be particularly smart to succeed.

The feel good measures that so many have accepted at commercial airports do absolutely nothing. As far as what should be done differently? What's been wrong with the normal security measures we've had in place since 9/11?

 

LEOs maybe...Everyone with a CPL-HELL NO. You might know how to use a weapon but do you understand the complexities of presurized atmosphere systems?? And what can happen if you poke a hole in the side of the plane a 40K feet??

 

I agree 100%


I work for an airline and, I have a SIDA (TSA) Badge and still have to go through the hassles & checks! But, I feel better knowing that my flights will be "crazy ass" terrorist free!

 

So don't refuse the X-Ray then. If they see me naked and either get off or laugh I realy don't care. I don't have anything to hide.

 

Useful load of a 172 is a little over 900lbs of Crew and cargo.
As far as that "just get a private pilots license and fly a plane"...yeah...if that's going to be your arugment then we might as well not ever go out or do anything...cause there are a lot of other ways to cause others harm.

 

Who's to say these searches would not be extended to other means of transportation? No one.

When was the last time they stopped an actual terrorist from boarding a plane with a clear intent to cause harm to the flight?

See #2 response. You claiming to have heard what they do step is like me saying "The president has done some great things you've never heard about, but I have and you never will." and not providing supporting evidence - it is just heresy.

Everyone looking out for themselves is a great start for any situation. Like I mentioned before, TSA should still conduct searches, but they need to focus on the real problems - bags, and then people. Perhaps reasonable suspicion ought to be used more... Maybe they should just ask our religion and treat us differently based on that; but that too would be a civil liberties violation, so instead focus on behavior and actions/inactions.

No matter how their invasive and disturbing searches are defended, they are still reprehensible in that they have no reasonable suspicion to search, probable cause or for that matter a warrant. Police are not permitted to search your VEHICLE without probable cause or a warrant, yet we allow the TSA to search our PERSONS on nothing but fear mongering on a whim.

 

I sort of enjoy it

 

You yourself said that TSA's security measure have been working. So why subject people to such invasions of privacy now... especially when there are so many other ways for the terrorists to do their thing?

Why is it too much to ask the government to use common sense? If these new strip/ grope measures are ok, then what do they have to do to go too far?

I don't think anyone suggested having no security measures. But when a government official starts squeezing my wife's breasts or groping my 2 year old son's genitals because he may have a bomb hidden under his sack, I have an issue! I don't care if it's a man or woman doing the squeezing!

 

They do have a better way, the X-Ray, just don't refuse it. Would you say a police officer or jail guard who is searching someone is legally assaulting someone also? Besides this arguiment is not needed! We all drive Toyota Tacomas that run forever, just drive where you want to go!

 

I fly all the time on commercial flights both national and international. Getting body scanned is no big deal, 30 seconds and you're on your way.

People that rant about this live in an alternate reality, where the bad guys are easy to recognize, everybody follows the rules and their precious civil liberties trump all real world concerns. "I want it all my way and it should not cost me anything."

Get over it, move on and worry about real threats not imagined ones.