ECO Systems VPE Test Results

I'm not saying the device can't be helping but you'd be seeing an increase in mileage as the truck breaks in with or without it. How many miles did you have on the truck when you installed it? I just did the math on a 3 tank average for Jan thru march 07 vs the same period this year and I'm up 3.175 mpg or 14.3% without an ECO. A 1 mpg change from one tank to another is statisticly irrelevant in real world driving because there are so many variables.... Road, traffic, weather, and how ticked off you are will all easilly make at least that much difference.

 

I put the VPE in at 3,216 miles and didn't notice an increase in just one tank. I had an increase for the next 3 tanks until I changed the oil and notice additional increase. Total of 11 or 12 tanks since then (almost 3,500 miles) and I am seeing variability between individual tanks (none as low as the average before). I'll be taking the VPE off for another 2-3K to see if there is a noticeable drop just to eliminate the mpg increase from engine breaking in.

 

Looks like we're having one conversation over 2 threads. Tag, you're it!

 

Snake oil here too huh...these are all over every truck site and have yet to prove themselves. Mythbusters and Popularmechanics busted this one years ago.

 

Mythbusters and or Popular Mechanics, have actually never tested the ECO devices in their snake oil challenges. They have tested and busted other devices, but this was not among them.

As for it being snake oil, I kind of believe it's claims, but in light of what Tiger said over on the air filter thread, I suspect it could be as much from external conditions as from the device. I'll run some more tests come summer when I am driving the truck more again, and see if I come up with anything more concrete. At this point I am at the point where I perceive it to help somewhat, and even if it doesn't I believe that it doesn't hurt anything so for now I'll leave it in.

 

I hear you, believe me I wish they worked too, these are one of those things that if they did work I think that all Auto Mfgs would use them to advertise better mpg. I'll very interested in your results, sorry for the bash. If another couple members swear by them then it starts to sound better.

I do know that changing your oil will get you better MPG until the oil viscosity starts to change as you put on the miles, or change your oil filter for the guys running amsoil/mobile 1 over 10k a change.

 

In reality, I'd love to buy one of these if they worked. The problem I see is how do you prove the 1mpg improvement was from the device and not something else? Like I said in the air filter thread, I have 2-3mpg swings on a regular basis with my truck, and up to 5mpg with that one trip that I got 21mpg. Of course, that just proves my theory (I think) that the hills around me kill my mileage, and I'd be getting 20-25 with a couple mods if I were still living in SC where everything was flat.

Hell, my car dropped down to 25mpg or so 2 winters ago with studded tires, and leaving work at 3am in -25F weather (7 mile commute home too). With a thorough Seafoam treatment and new cat it's back up to 37mpg! (Which I might add is above all the EPA estimates, new and old.). I still have winter gas and a set of studs on it too.

There's just too many other things than can affect it by 1mpg. No head wind/nice tail wind, hills/no hills, good gas/cheap gas, by yourself/extra passengers, late for work/gentle cruising, etc.

I mean, someone could sell me something that claimed 1mpg increase, and the next tank I suddenly get 18mpg instead of the normal 17 for the last couple months. Technically, it's not false advertising since I got the 1mpg increase, but what really caused it?

I tried asking about the Eco System one specifically on the Mythbusters forum and more or less got flamed off. One guy was somewhat helpful in saying that NASA was actually suing them for false advertising, but never backed up that statement with more info. Claimed I could find it all by searching that site. Well I did, and found nothing so who knows? Google didn't even turn up anything on it.

 

Want to buy some ocean front property in AZ?

 

What point are you attempting to make?

 

That it's not true...

 

Thanks, really, I mean thanks, comments like this bring so much to the table, you have opened a whole new world, I can't imagine how us poor dumb bastards ever got along before you joined us last month, keep up the informative and constructive postings.

I believe he is attempting to point out that anyone dumb enough to believe that this device does anything would also believe there is ocean front property in Az. However, apparently people sacrifice their ability to read in favor of poorly placed sarcasm, since he quoted your post Tiger, and I believe that was in-fact the point you were making, but maybe I'm wrong since I am dumb enough to buy ocean front property in arazona.

 

Wooooooo mister I'm the best with my taco....easy. Just because I think your mileage log is a POS doesn't say its not true to you..so go ahead and stick your head deeper up your arse and believe it then, but if your going to attack me you'll get attacked back. I was ripping on the product ya clown

 

This may come as a shock to you but I don't give a rusty flying fuck what you think about me or my mileage log. And I hardly care if some child atacks me on the internet. My point was that your post was hardly productive. So you don't think the device works, and you think my mileage log is a POS. That's great, glad you have an opinion. Now why don't you try re-reading Tiger's post, and formulate an argument and supporting evidence for your hypothesis. I'd like to know what EXACTLY made my mileage log a POS? Please elaborate on the flaw(s) you found there. Explain why the device doesn't work, or did a little bird just tell you that? Maybe your psychic powers lead you to that conclusion? Piercedtiger made a lot of valid points, and as such, I am willing to do another run of testing, to see if I can duplicate my previous results as soon as we switch back off of winter gas at the end of the month.

You'll find you will make alot more friends here (and in the world in general) if you add something to the discussion, instead of just making sarcastic comments that eat up bandwidth (which btw is what it seems most of your posts are). Just some friendly advice that we all learn as we grow up, take my word for it or not, but but someday you'll realize it on your own.

 

I'm glad you said. Came out better and more polite than if I had responded. I saw the name on the post while I was at work and figured it wasn't worth wasting time at work to read it.... And I see I was correct.

 

So whats wrong with the ocean in Arizona?

 

too many "NO WAKE" zones

 

LOL, alright you win. It works for you. How is the "Tornado" working on your truck too?

Not one study from an accredited source shows this works. Consumer Reports, Mythbusters, MIT...all said it doesn't work. Why is that? Expain to me what they did wrong then? Don't the injectors just spray the gas anyway...so how does the ECO system work if that happens.

Just trying to keep it real man, this ain't my first rodeo son. The cheap gas in Jersey and what formulations they make, miles since your last oil change, tire PSI, humidity in the air, time of year all could give you 1+ mpg variance on your results, exactly what others have posted. If your going post results expect to get comments. Its the internet, not the local bar.

 

The difference is that the Tornado has been proven to be a piece of garbage but neutral persons here on this site have had (admittedly unscientific) positive results with the ECO Systems VPE. I lightly looked into this company's devices and couldn't find any testing on it from any of the organizations you listed. I certianly found nothing that shows that it doesn't work or that it hurts anything or I would have posted about it here with links to the evidence. If you can provide links to controlled testing of this specific device I'd love to read more about it.

 

Like Roland said below: post your proof. Otherwise you're just being a jackass to someone who took the time and money to try to figure out if this thing works or if it's snake oil so no one else on here (or that just reads the site) would have to find out the hard way.

Put your money where your mouth is and post proof, or do some testing yourself. You know, so you can actually contribute something useful to the site....

Agreed. I've tried finding info about it too. Including the Mythbusters forum. I was flamed off there with statements like I was a shill for Eco and that NASA was suing Eco for false advertising (maybe it was wiscdave's SN?). However none of them could point me to ANY information (positive or negative) about the device which they claimed had been discussed numerous times on the site. Nor could I find ANY mention ANYWHERE about NASA suing them. So it's almost as if the naysayers are as full of BS as they claim the Ecosystem is.

 

do an internet search for what this thing is supposed to do. I love how the test subjects where given the unit to use too by the company.