Electric Tacoma coming

Not true, they are expanding their Hydrogen model line and are testing their hydrogen fueled piston car.

 

Autoweek is just publishing someone elses report. Feel free to google the exact same report form the site of your choice.

Your arguing with me, and at this point I'm not exactly sure about what or why.

 

In North America?

 

Not gonna lie I was one of the CA residents who did not like my states Lame rules and culture . I can’t keep my AR the way I want, land use rules and expensive..... but with this EV issue I’m kind of glad to see so many people around me going ev with no regrets and seeing how it’s very easy . It’s like watching a commercial for EVs in real life ... and not worrying about what corporate marketing team told me to think. Guess these hippies aren’t so dumb after all.


I was definitely one of the paranoid naysayers until I was forced to drive many peoples cars and see how they’ve lived with it for years . These are not rich people either ... normal People who all would never in a million years even go back to gas .

 

Yes, already hydrogen cars in the US, piston motor testing in Japan

 

I know that have the one that is like a camry, but I've never seen one.

"2015 was when Toyota’s first hydrogen vehicle hit the markets and was available for consumers in the North American market, an effort that was a culmination of two decades of research into hydrogen fuel cell technology.

Since then, over 6,600 Mirai have been sold or leased in California making it the most popular fuel cell vehicle on the road today."

Now I know why.

 

Hydrogen cell cars ARE the way to go, the most abundant element on earth, in space, on a star, everywhere.

 

If there is a surplus of energy to produce the hydrogen then ya...

But making hydrogen takes a lot of energy too. That same energy can be not wasted and put in batteries directly instead thus saving 30-50% energy (power plant energy that is , coal , wind , solar , nuclear...). It’s an extra step so it costs energy is all.

 

Get a rechargeable battery powered welder.

 

I'm gonna head to HF and pick up some solar panels and go green.

 

H2 will have its applications (especially heavy transport, aircraft, cargo vehicle fleets, ships, mass energy storage, etc. where you can have centralized infrastructure.) -Perhaps the ultimate overlander will be an EV + a fuel cell.

- PROVIDED it is H2 Produced only from renewable energy; GREEN Hydrogen. It must be this - otherwise it prolongs the problem - and does not help in the solution...

GREEN H2 will be competitive soon with massive (high resource / low cost of energy) Renewable-energy powerplants paired with electrolyzers taking unused 'excess) power at peak production / low demand times produce H2. (Think Southwest USA and Australia. There are some truly massive projects in the works looking to export energy (in the form of H2) to asian countries where there is no space for renewable generation...

'Blue', 'black', 'pink' - Any other source of H2 (e.g. H2 produced from hydrocarbons) is simply green-washing. It is NOT a solution and will not to clean-up our energy at all.

As far as 'standard' passenger vehicles, Battery technology is (and will increasingly be) better suited to this use.


Small Nuclear has been chatted about for decades – it is not really commercially / politically viable. The cost per MWhr is high. This is why only the BIG ones were actually built for commercial purposes. (research and military use, does not factor low cost as a main criteria). Few will finance, fewer will take the risk, and very few will PARTIALLY insure. https://cleantechnica.com/2021/05/03/small-modular-nuclear-reactors-are-mostly-bad-policy/

 

Gas stations galore and people still run out of it 24/7/365. Road side assist industry will be getting some changes too.

 

I haven't read all 33 pages but jumped to the end to say something about hydrogen and you guys are already on it. In the beginning someone made a comment about putting Saudis out of business- last I checked they were producing the largest hydrogen manufacturing facility in the world with plans to export it to the world. They're using all that free desert sunlight to split all that free ocean water into hydrogen. And the hydrogen piston engine is the stupidest thing you could buy- why would you want a transmission and have to deal with oil changes etc that you don't have to worry about with EV vehicles. And hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are EV btw, they just replace the battery pack with a fuel cell. Refill on the fuel cells is 10 minutes max, at this moment. If you can't tell, I'm excited about hydrogen coming and fully invested in it.

 

I will say the hydrogen piston engine could be a step product, to help proliferate hydrogen fueling network and pull us knuckle draggers away from gasoline by the sound of engine exhaust. Miracles of macromarketing

 

Hydrogen fuel cells don't charge EV batteries in a car. The car runs directly off the fuel cell. I don't know if that's what you meant?

 

I'm tired of paying for gas, sign me up chief

 

So how many people would jump at a full electric Tacoma, 4wd for 50K. Range 300mi.

I think that's reasonable expectations for a 2028 model when you factor in inflation.

 

The date farmer has a mirai. She said she got it for cheap

 

What ?


Step one : use electricity to generate H2 gas from water or use a hydrocarbon source (coal , natural gas ..) and chemical treat it to produce H2 gas (and many byproducts)

Step two : put that H2 in ur fuel tank onboard your vehicle

Step three : H2 will react in a fuel cell with Oxygen (present in air) giving electric current used by an electric motor and car goes go go ..

that’s a very simplistic way how it’s going to work.

So in summary:

The hydrogen IS the energy storage material itself akin to a “battery”... also akin to gasoline. It stores the energy in a car . Hydrogen still needs to be MADE (see step one).

by going back to step one .... and just directly taking that energy used to make the hydrogen...instead just recharge a big ass battery in the car then ur good and saved energy by less conversion step. That’s the whole issue with hydrogen... that’s the pro and con right there spelled out for u .
Pro , we don’t need big ass expensive batteries in every car.
Con , we gotta first make the hydrogen which costs energy and or hydrocarbons


Right ?

 

Don’t need to wait that long. It’s called Tesla cyber truck (40-70k) or rivian r1(70k)

why would we wait for some bunk Toyota product that can’t even drive itself