Electric vs Gas Cost

I’m an engineer who researches so don’t agree with your claim. Sound like an exaggeration.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...degrees,Automobile Association found in 2019.

 

I won’t argue with actual verifiable data. What I mentioned was just based on extensive personal experience with both in cold weather. Big benefit of the EV is immediate heat at those temps, something an ICE can’t do since it relies on waste heat energy for cabin heating. If the EV is plugged in before driving the energy loss from the battery in cold weather is negligible as the battery is already warmed.

 

From my research I fully agree that pre-heat of the battery charging at home helps a lot. However there is still significant range loss due to cabin heat. Not to say that this can’t be managed well as you appear to do. But for long range travel and charging in cold conditions this will be a challenge.

For my driving, mostly short range an EV would not be a problem with home charging. Bit I wouldn’t trade my Tacoma for one, I like it too much and do make occasional long trips and a quick stop for gas is my preference. Here’s an interesting article comparing impact of cold weather on various EV models you may find interesting.
https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/winter-ev-range-loss

 

I'm 78 years old I was the the vehicle repair business for 38 years have seen the good the bad and the ugly and have heard the fan boy sh## before because I drove and repaired foreign vehicles because of my age it's doubtful that I will be driving an electric Tacoma but I would in a heart beat. It is the future get used to it non fan boy, "the times they are a changing".

 

Since that study was conducted, in 2019, most EVs now use heat pumps to heat the cabin vs resistance heating. It uses about 1/3 of the power helping to preserve some of the range. So the tech keeps improving at a pretty fast rate.

 

I suspect you'll be able to get a good deal on a Tesla through Hertz pretty soon. Doesn't seem to be working out for them.

https://qz.com/hertz-ev-sales-tesla-rental-cars-1851438100

 

Yeah, EV rentals seem like a stupid idea. And I say that as someone who’s supported the EV industry since 2011 when I bought my first.

 

So electric cars don’t make sense if you live in an apartment or condo, they only make sense if you have your own home and have a dedicated high current charger in your garage.

They don’t make sense to rent.

They don’t make sense in the cold, But they are “working on it.”

You can buy a 10 year old used gasoline vehicle that will probably last you another 10 years because technology is bulletproof, or you can buy a used electric car at 7 to 10 years old and have to replace the battery at substantial cost, but don’t worry they are “working on it.”

I keep being told that perfectly refined gasoline technology is horse and buggy and electric cars are the future while hearing a ton of excuses why they currently don’t work, but don’t worry something magical will happen in the future.

 

Do you have a question for me? Or are you just quoting me to yell at a cloud?

 

Nothing to get used to yet since the future is not here lol.
I’m all for EVs and the technology improving, I’m just fully aware of the current state and the pro’s and con’s. That makes me an informed realist.
Get used to reality, it’s here now.

 

I’m just trying to find out how EVs are supposed to replace ICE “real soon” when they’re not for anyone who isn’t a Bay Area techie with their own home who thinks a 30 minute drive is too far.

Herz renting Teslas was praised that EVs are now mainstream. Now they’re making excuses for it failing. I recall a CEO lost his job over this

It seems that every time the technology is shown to be deficient there’s the usual gaslighting that it’s going to get better.

 

Cloud it is, then.

I travel a lot for work and I've rented a lot of cars. Electric car rentals don't make sense entirely because all mainstream car rental organizations are terrible. It has nothing to do with the efficacy of electric car ownership for individuals. Just because you don't want an electric car, doesn't mean there aren't tons of people who do. Fact is, there are tens of millions of Americans in living situations that are conducive to current electric car ownership, so I don't buy the excuses and exaggerations you've brought here.

Electric cars are great for some people, trucks are great for some people, and electric trucks are great for some people. Get the sand out of your shorts and grow up. Let people have their freedom of choice and expression.

 

As someone that owns an EV, a 9mpg Tacoma, and other ICE cars (and had 2 diesels), I'm more than understanding of the Pros and Cons. My family won't be going all EV anytime soon. But I do know that the industry is improving day by day. EV's coming out now compared to 5 years ago, have taken leaps in performance. It's not gaslighting to say, when a deficiency is brought up, that the technology is going to get better. I'm sure it's been mentioned already in this thread and in previous discussions about EV's. But go back to when cars 1st came out. People slighted cars for what they were comfortable with (trains, horses), but the automotive industry kept telling people that the performance of cars was going to improve, and low and behold it did "Over Time". I'm not here to say tomorrow the world is ready for everyone to be in an EV. But I do foresee a future where EV's (or some future technology gleaned from EV's) are the majority. It might be 15-25 years from now, but I don't think it's beyond possible.