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Thats comparing road tripping, on one of the worst charging ev's there is. Compare the Sequia to a Model Y both from home and around town and the Y will easily be cheaper. Road tripping is a different scenario due to higher charging prices at stations. That same channel shows lots of problems they have had with the Hummer EV. I'd stay far away from that one, especially for 114K.

 

Maybe but nothing but hearsay

 

It's not hearsay, it's first hand experience. I drive one every day. Also have a 19 Tacoma.

 

Yeh I saw pics of like the battery supports cracking and some guy hit a pothole and the front end collapsed. That hummer has some growing pains.

 

there are some cool ones these days. You could even do an electric bike. Or an electric dirt bike.

 

Yeh looking at these.... Scramper by EMGo, it's a Ukrainian company so Mfg is on hold.

These are under 7k and go 100 miles or less up to 80mph.



SOndors Metacycle - futuristic design but all aluminum chassis

 

Porsche 911s are slow by comparison, way more expensive, plus they don't seat 4 comfortably, lack storage room and would make a less than ideal daily driver. The Tesla actually does great in the snow, since it is dual motor with no center diff slip limitations like AWD ICE cars.

Ironically it is actually 1/3hp. When coming up with the horsepower unit of measurement it was determined you'd need 3 horses to do the work of one in order to operate the horse continuously, as one horse must eat/rest and the other sleep while one works. So 3 horses = 1hp. Possibly anti-automobile angle that wanted to show the superiority of horses power vs the new machine that was eventually going to replace them.

The hummer EV is the least efficient EV on the market, by far. There are gas cars more efficient. It weighs 10,000lbs and has an absurdly massive battery just to get any reasonable range because it is so heavy and shaped like a brick with horrible aero. It has a 212.7kWh battery, for comparison the large long range battery in a Tesla 3 is 82kWh, which actually has more range than the Hummer despite the battery being a fraction of the size. Larger batteries take longer to charge. High speed charging is harder to find outside the Tesla network though is available and expanding, but by the nature of having a battery that is 2.6x larger than say a 3, it is going to take 2.6x longer to charge and you still won't go as far. None of this is surprising. It is a horrible EV. Hummer is repeating all the exact same mistakes that put them out of business the first time.

One of the things people often don't think of in desiring longer and longer range EVs, is if that is achieved by adding larger and larger batteries, you end up adding substantial weight to the vehicle. Weight reduces range, efficiency and performance, so you start getting diminishing returns, it also leads to longer charge times. For most peoples usage, you don't actually need 400+ miles of range, adding 1000s of lbs of extra batteries to haul around on your daily commute makes the vehicle worse, not better. The way you improve an EV is though optimization, aerodynamics and keeping it as light as possible. Hummer did none of these things. They took an extremely heavy very poor aero platform and added 3000lbs of weight with batteries to try and compensate for the poor EV designs, making it even heavier. That platform was in a death spiral before it even left the factory. So yeah, using it as an EV representative in a road trip comparison video is hardly a reasonable comparison.

 

Didn't realize there was a 3rd Gen Tacoma EV available. /Sarc

 

The Sequoia is also a brick with terrible Fuel efficiency. Why are EV zealots so quick to compare apples to oranges. Why would we compare a Tesla to a Sequoia?

You can compare a Tesla to a Prius which makes more sense and the margins widen further.

 

An unsubstantiated anecdote, ya so much better….

Make excuses all you want by road tripping is NOT a “different” scenario, it’s a real world test of a very legitimate use case that you EV guys love to conveniently throw out the windows because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

 

I agree with you, that road tripping is better in an ice vehicle, thats why I have one of each. I'm not throwing that out the window. I see both sides of the situation. I will always have an ice vehicle for hunting, fishing, camping. I don't see EV's getting there for that for quite a while. But EV's have huge benefits for in town driving, price, speed, time etc. Road tripping id say ice vehicles win on time, but the EV wins on price and speed still. We just drove from Phoenix to San Diego for a long weekend. The trip there and back was $38 total for charging. My tacoma would never beat that for price. It did add about an hour to the drive each way, which during charging times we ate, hit the bathroom and threw a football around for 10 minutes. Not that big of a deal unless you are rushing to get there.

 

Agreed.

Though most of us don’t stop to eat and throw a football around we don’t want to waste time on the road if it can be avoided.

 

Why would you road trip in the least efficient EV vehicle on the market, then make a video complaining about how inefficient the EV vehicle is on a road trip?

The Sequoia is far more aerodynamic than the Hummer.
Sequoia Cd=0.35
Hummer EV Cd=0.5
Rivian R1T Cd=0.3
Tesla 3 Cd=0.23 <-for fun

Drag is exponential, these are not small differences for the Hummer. This is a catastrophic efficiency loss for the Hummer.

Class 8 Semi Cd =0.5 -.8, average 0.6

Yes, so the Hummer EV literally has the same aerodynamic coefficient of drag as a semi-truck. Its no surprise the thing is so bad.

But if you were set to road trip in a EV truck, the Rivian has an 135 kWh battery for 315 miles or a 180 kWh battery for 400+ miles vs the Hummers 212.7 kWh battery for 343 miles. The Rivian weighs 3000lbs less. Rivian is also cheaper and faster. It'll change substantially quicker. If you are absolutely set on road tripping in a truck, rather than a more practical car.

 

Agreed. They do it because it makes good videos, more likes and views. It seems when it comes to EV's for some people rational thinking goes out the window and emotion/hate takes over.

 

What about long term operating costs ? Say 10 year 200,000 mile ish. Ev battery replacement needed during this period? How’s that factor in ?

slight hijack, but anyone know how ev’s fair with flood damage ? With batteries just a few inches off the ground are these things we’ll sealed ?

 

People are going to buy what they like. EV's fit some peoples live and not others. EV's and their tech are evolving daily. Don't like what's coming, that's your issue. People say there's a hidden agenda when propping up EV's. I wonder what they think that agenda is?

 

Your math is definitely off. If the Hummer has a 212kwh battery and charges at a typical 11.5kwh rate it’s only 18.5 hours 0-100%. Charging from a household 110v would take 4.5 days.

 

That argument is like saying why would you road-trip an SUV or truck altogether because they aren’t efficient.

Regardless of whether the hummer is the worst if the EVs it still showcases how much more efficient an EV is, if you watch it it shows how inefficient the Sequioia is but where the argument falls is that it took more time and cost more.

Your argument also completely dismissed that the sequoia while improved is equally aerodynamically challenged, it’s heavy, and the motor isn’t the most efficient.

Again why wouldn’t we compare the hummer to sequoia? Neither are leaders, it’s misleading to compare the best EV car the market to one of the largest ICE SUVs.

I would def like to see a comparison of the Rivian to a comparable ICE vehicle but you will still have some of the same issues until charging stations become as common as gas stations and you can get to 100% in less than 5 minutes.

The Rivians I see for sale are going for $100k+ so not exactly cheaper.

 

My EV costs less than $.11 to charge and about $.55 per 100 miles.



But an electric truck still doesn’t make sense unless it’s just an around town daily driver.

 

When did Car & Driver stop shilling for the auto industry and start printing facts?