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Enough Already! Your Truck's T, HP and RPM Explained

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by hiPSI, Oct 24, 2018.

  1. Apr 23, 2019 at 6:32 AM
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    I hated my Tacoma, until I started using ect power all the time. It fixed it for me. Now it keeps it in right gear to maintain speed up a hill without shifting up and down 6 or 8 times, that’s not an exaggeration either. My mpg are up also because I’m not always on the gas to make it be in the power rpms. The Ford Ranger is going to put a hurt on Toyota’s market share. It doesn’t look as good but comfort, power and tow capacity are just a 100% improvement, but we’ll see.
     
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  2. Apr 23, 2019 at 6:38 AM
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    Well said. Try ECT power button
     
  3. Apr 23, 2019 at 6:40 AM
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    After watching the assembly plant video of them making the new ranger, I will never own another ford product for as long as I live.
     
  4. Apr 23, 2019 at 7:03 AM
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    What are the doing in the factory that is so wildly unsatisfactory?
     
  5. Apr 23, 2019 at 7:55 AM
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    We've heard this before, when the GM twins came back on the market. So far, nope.

    I don't know where the saturation point is for mid-sized trucks, but we're not there yet it seems.
     
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  6. Apr 23, 2019 at 9:13 AM
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    For how badly the Ranger has been selling, I would not be surprised to see the Gladiator outsell it.
     
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  7. Apr 23, 2019 at 2:06 PM
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    I'm curious...what exactly causes low RPMs and lugging to be "worse" in terms of reliability? I've heard this in the past, but admittedly had been shifting (MT) around 2K since I bought the truck new, thinking I would be getting better MPG, reliability, etc. This thread has inspired me to shift no lower than 3K....night and day difference in how the truck feels AND better MPG.
     
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  8. Apr 23, 2019 at 6:39 PM
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    Efficiency is lost running at low rpm. You will use a lot more fuel running at 1K rpm than 2K rpm.
     
  9. Apr 23, 2019 at 7:23 PM
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    Eh I don't think so. Maybe a little. Ford ranger is offering incentives already, don't think you will see that with the tacoma. Unless it's like a left over model and they are trying to get rid of them. http://fordauthority.com/2019/04/2019-ford-ranger-incentives-offer-2000-off/

    Sales - https://www.tfltruck.com/2019/04/fo...-months-here-is-how-it-compares-sales-report/
     
  10. Apr 23, 2019 at 11:52 PM
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    Low RPMs don't necessarily hurt an engine, so long as its designed/tuned to operate efficiently at that RPM range. Our engines are designed to operate more efficiently in the upper RPM range (which is why the stock gearing/shift programming is a total mystery to me). Lugging generally refers to operating an engine below its optimal RPM range. Many maladies have been attributed to "lugging" an engine over the years. Personally, I broke a crankshaft in a VW flat 4 45 years ago when I first started driving a stick by lugging the engine.
     
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  11. Apr 24, 2019 at 8:54 AM
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    Trying not to sound like a goofball, but:
    I suggest that people learning to be masters of the MT not watch the tach. The truck will tell you what rpm’s are optimal. The revs will vary depending upon load, grade, desire to reach speed quickly, your mood, etc.
    Once you master the MT then worry about what the tach is saying.
     
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  12. Apr 24, 2019 at 9:06 AM
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    I very seldom ever looked at the tach. After driving a MT hundreds of thousands of miles you don't need it.
     
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  13. Apr 24, 2019 at 9:12 AM
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    I would agree with this if it were not a drive-by-wire drivetrain that lacks the consistency (or Quality Assurance checks prior to production) required for the kind of feedback you're referencing. I've driven plenty of MT vehicles in the past, and on those I'd definitely agree with your sentiments, but this truck is a different story.
     
  14. Apr 24, 2019 at 9:18 AM
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    Your opinion. Mine is quite different. I drove it 40K in one year. Feedback was fine. Every manual transmission is different.
    I love posts like yours. "Lacks the consistency" and "Lacks Quality Assurance Checks" lol. You know that how? Don't print opinion as fact dude. Maybe you just can't drive a stick. My opinion.
     
  15. Apr 24, 2019 at 9:28 AM
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    Cute. "Lacks the consistency" as demonstrated by countless thread posts here describing exactly that. "Lack of QA" shown, for example, by Toyota's misprinting of model years on TSB's. But hey, apparently you're the epitome of a MT driver who's One with the Truck, so these problems listed all over TW are beneath you.
     
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  16. Apr 24, 2019 at 9:37 AM
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    You really think that ANYTHING said on TW could be construed as a data point? Lol. There are maybe 2K members in the 3rd gen section (generous estimation) and close to a million 3rd gen Tacomas now. Worse yet, these 2K guys here are "enthusiasts" which means that every single thing they do gets magnified and embellished! In addition, this little space is on the internet, where people post about the bad stuff, not the normal or good stuff.
    There is very little real data here that can translate to the real world, and that is fact... not opinion.
     
  17. Apr 24, 2019 at 9:59 AM
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    So, TSBs describing an exact condition, with clear and valid misprints (again, back to the QA) aren't valid? Just for a second, demote yourself from MT god-mode and take a look at the 131 page thread describing (non-magnified) issues https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/software-update-for-the-manual.562550/page-133#post-20403793. Hilariously, you're actually describing the exact inconsistency I originally mentioned, as (I'm really, truly sorry for taking a leap here: but you're not actually the resurrected, manual transmission Christ returned to rapture the TW forums) your truck may not have the inconsistent issue described by many others in previously mentioned thread, that's fixed with a TSB. Dude.
     
  18. Apr 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM
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    I just find it hilarious that you are using TW for any valid truck related issue. Don't know what you do for a living but Toyota and your dealer should be the only factual contacts. Do you go out to message boards to get opinions before you make a decision at work or home? Do you have to start a poll to determine if you want chicken or spaghetti for dinner?
    And yes, I have talked to Toyota reps many times about various topics on the vehicles I have currently and owned previously. It is amazing the difference between what they say and what you read here.
     
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  19. Apr 24, 2019 at 10:38 AM
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    Have you not gotten anything "valid" from these forums? If not, why are you here? You enjoy reading nonsense? Everyone on here is full of shit unless they are officially endorsed by Toyota or a dealership?? Once again, I'll go back to the TSB, which describe an exact condition and failed the QA process and contains a misprint, causing dozens of fellow MT Tacoma owners to NOT be able to receive the "fix" for their truck. My most recent Officially Licensed Toyota Dealership visit resulted in the Officially Certified Toyota Technician duplicating the issue with my MT (admittedly, he may also not be in MT god-mode), seeing and confirming the TSB misprint, but stating that they would not be able to correct the problem until Toyota (meaning BIG Toyota, Omnipotent Toyota) issues a revision to the TSB. This is not the only Officially Licensed Toyota Dealership I've experienced this with. Having said that, if you'll allow it, I'll use valid data AND experiences to form my opinions, one of which being that not everyone on this forum is a nitpicking, half-wit, and yes, I might even ask for dinner recommendations.
     
  20. Apr 24, 2019 at 10:57 AM
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    Did you call Toyota proper?

    I still come here for the jokes. I come here to maybe dispel some myth and conjecture by writing posts like the original topic of this thread. I also have learned there are a few pretty sharp guys here who know their stuff. Good luck man.
     

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