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Discussion in 'Electric Vehicles (EVs)' started by khaki2020offroad, Jan 29, 2021.

  1. Feb 9, 2024 at 9:54 AM
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  3. Feb 14, 2024 at 5:34 AM
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    Yup, they say history repeats itself. Japanese auto in the 1970's -1980's, China in the 2025's. And other repeating pattern is legacy vs upstarts. Sears vs the internet. US steel vs imports after WW II. BlockBuster vs the internet.

    It is difficult to get anybody to understand something, when their salary depends on them not understanding it.
     
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  5. Feb 14, 2024 at 7:43 AM
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    The thing is these companies are so greedy they can most definitely make an affordable EV. So get vehicles in the USA that can be affordable. Someone has to do it. China will do it.
     
  6. Feb 14, 2024 at 8:02 AM
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    Capitalism stacks the deck against legacy companies. Wall Street wants to see quarter after quarter of growth. Pulling back for a couple of years to retool isn't something they reward. It's better to let the old die and replace them with more nimble upstarts. (which in time become the legacy to be replaced by the next startup. I'm thinking about Toyota here)
     
  7. Feb 14, 2024 at 8:06 AM
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    This is why I actually agreed with Toyoda-San in not rushing EV's to market. The solid state battery era will be the best for EV's and Toyota will dominate it.
     
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    I'm not buying Toyota's solid state battery hype. They've been promising SS will be ready in the next 5 years for more than a decade. And, when you look into the hype of fast charging it has zero use in home charging and requires major electrical infrastructure for fast charging. After daily driving a Tesla for 2 years and 40K miles with 25K miles of them road tripping, SS batteries just aren't worth waiting for. Because, it's only 5 more years before Toyota will be ready - :rofl:
     
  9. Feb 14, 2024 at 8:50 AM
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    Just in time for the death of Evs in general..rad lol

    Battery powered passenger vehicles are most definitely not the way forward. Right now is the beginning of the decline of EV sales, r&d and general market interest
     
  10. Feb 14, 2024 at 9:30 AM
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    Yep, I'm waiting for SS batts. I was skeptical and then they showed them in real life and other mfgs. are now making battery plants just for SS batts. Toyota may be later in the game but they'll get it right.
     
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/18/bid...edly-relax-ev-rule-on-tailpipe-emissions.html

    U.S. President Joe Biden’s administration intends to relax limits on tailpipe emissions that are designed to get Americans to move from gas-powered cars to electric vehicles, the New York Times reported, citing people familiar with the plan.

    The administration would give car manufacturers more time instead of requiring them to rapidly ramp up sales of electric vehicles over the next few years, the report said, adding that the new rule could be published by early spring.

    The shift would mean that EV sales would not need to rise sharply until after 2030.

    John Bozzella, president and CEO of auto industry trade group the Alliance for Automotive Innovation (AAI), said on Sunday that the next three or four years are critical for the development of the EV market.

    “Give the market and supply chains a chance to catch up, maintain a customer’s ability to choose, let more public charging come online, let the industrial credits and Inflation Reduction Act do their thing and impact the industrial shift,” Bozzella said.

    Reuters previously reported that the White House could enact proposed Environmental Protection Agency regulations as soon as March that would mandate dramatic reductions in tailpipe emissions. The administration proposal would require boosting U.S. EV market share to 67% by 2032 from less than 8% in 2023.

    General Motors, Ford, and Stellantis — the European parent of U.S.-based Ram and Jeep — have warned they cannot profitably transition their truck-heavy U.S. fleets that quickly, according to a Reuters analysis of automakers’ sales data and a review of comments to regulators.

    Automakers and the AAI have urged the Biden administration to slow the proposed ramp-up in EV sales. They have said EV technology is still too costly for many mainstream U.S. consumers, and more time is needed to develop the charging infrastructure.
     
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    Toyoda-San after he read this. "I told you so".
     
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    *this is what happens when you rush a product to market to capitalize on government subsidies in a market that you're not set up to compete in.

    lol sure it's big oil thats holding them back...
     
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    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/section/musk-inc/

    Reuters exposes grave harms to consumers, workers and laboratory animals across Elon Musk’s manufacturing empire, resulting in investigations by U.S. and European regulators and calls for action from U.S. lawmakers.



    must read! Full exposé!
     
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    Hey you give the guy billions in subsidies no questions asked and this is what happens.
     
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    Thanks, I think I'll have an EV bike before an EV car. I wish Zero's weren't so expensive but a lot others are coming around and conversion kits are around so I just need a frame. anyway...this guy is riding around the world on a Zero. I'm addicted to his journey. It starts in UK/IRELAND so I've been watching about a year or so. But Zero is aware of this and giving him minimal help. Crazy. They are not good at customer service.

    https://www.youtube.com/@MarcTravels/featured
     
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    Did you see the long way round?
    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0403778/
    I cannot imagine doing it solo with no logistics or support.

    - I mean I can imagine it - and being stranded using calling cards to order parts and waiting around anytime I couldnt bodge it back together.
     
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    I saw The Long Way UP. They did it on prototype Harley Livewire and then Rivian R1T pre production trucks. From bottom tip of South America to Los Angeles. Was really good.

    https://www.longwayup.com/

    But the guy from Germany going around the world had his GF with him an a Suzuki Jimny but she bailed on him and the trip last year.
     

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