Fail Safe Traction Control?

Figured to help educate folks from a more technical source at this point for clarity:
http://www.safemotorist.com/articles/hydroplaning_basics.aspx

What is Hydroplaning?
The term hydroplaning is commonly used to refer to the skidding or sliding of a cars tires across a wet surface. Hydroplaning occurs when a tire encounters more water than it can scatter. Water pressure in the front of the wheel pushes water under the tire, and the tire is then separated from the road surface by a thin film of water and loses traction. The result is loss of steering, braking and power control.

Rubber tires have tread (grooves) that are designed to channel water from beneath the tire. This creates higher friction with the road surface and can help prevent or minimize instances of hydroplaning.

When does Hydroplaning Occur?
Hydroplaning can occur on any wet road surface, however, the first 10 minutes of a light rain can be the most dangerous.

When light rain mixes with oil residue on the road surface, it creates slippery conditions that can cause vehicles, especially those traveling speeds in excess of 35 mph, to hydroplane. This can be a deadly combination for the driver and surrounding motorists.

The chance of being involved in a motor vehicle accident increases during poor weather conditions such as fog, rain, ice and snow. However, it isn’t necessarily the pounding rain and blinding snow that are the most dangerous; it is the slick conditions that drivers aren’t prepared for.

This is normally pretty basic, but just to understand the function here...its not uncommon for hydroplaning to happen on the highway as speeds are typically faster than say...35.

As I have been trying to make my case about...if Im truly hydroplaning when the basic laws of theory here are loss of braking and steering...its a controlled crash until you either lose enough momentum for the weight of the vehicle on the tires to push more fluid out of its way to achieve traction and thus giving you back control.

Back to the topic at hand...sudden braking when I STILL have control of my vehicle in wet conditions is not desired...for me.

 

Oh so there's actually a valid reason your truck tries to make you crash, you just left that little tidbit of info out.

 

Its part of the height issue when lifting a vehicle. There is a weird bypass for it that Im still trying to find out. For the stockers out there, no need to worry as your gyro will be within spec, but for lifted trucks that have an increased height will see issues as such.

Many of my friends have theirs permanently disabled that wheel.

 

Yeah I don't really think this is a case of you driving too fast based on what you describe. Its sounds like your suspension setup is negatively affecting it/making it too sensitive. Honestly it works pretty great in my truck apart from randomly kicking in while I make right hand turns under hard acceleration.

 

I would agree with you on that...the suspension does a good job on messing with things, but I think the upsize in tires is the real culprit. I have 35s now, but this started back when I threw on 33's. Like most things in this hobby, you learn to be flexible and compromise a little each time you deviate from stock.

Don't get me wrong, in its stock form traction control is perfect, but when you alter height specifically and other components it can really become an unpredictable deterrent. After getting used to the triggers of it I don't have much issue these days, but initially man talk about a sobering moment.

 

Just to let you know, ALL tires AND vehicles are suseptible to hydroplaning at 35+ mph. Didn't they teach you this in drivers Ed? Just because it's possible doesn't mean it ALWAYS happens

 

Traction control sucks. I do drive with a heavy foot, but any freaking snow and taking a turn, unless from a stop, pretty much activates it. I hate the noise of my brakes more than anything, as I am not going fast enough for it to really effect the truck. But don't worry, soon we will only be a passenger in our vehicles.

 

I don't think it'll take off that easily, don't forget the car culture is about driving your car or truck, not being a passenger. There's no freedom in a self driving car

 

Yup. Car culture is about freedom. What freedom do you have if a cop/important person can just send the "Move over" code to your automated google car?

I'm only 28 but I can already see myself sounding like the cranky old grandpa. "Back in my day if you knew how to fabricate you could build the car you wanted!"

"You kids don't know what freedom is! I used to drive off the road!"

 

Don't disagree that the car culture is freedom, but every day folks commuting they just want to get to point A to B. Vehicles already auto brake, possibly steer, even back up and parallel park. The recent death with the self driving car put it all back a little bit, but it's coming.

 

Despite the fact that the amount of people killed by people driving cars doesn't seem to faze anyone anymore

 

Not sure how this relates, but ya as a society we are continuing to care less about fellow humans.

 

I'm saying that when the driverless cars killed a pedestrian, everybody flipped out and some started to ban them. But when a human kills somebody with a car, nobody really cares

 

True, cause it's new. And that death from what I saw, was inevitable.

 

What gets old is the constant bitching and moaning about safety features which do a fantastic job at keeping us alive. Not everyone is a 16 year old boy riding high on puberty hormones. Some of us try to drive like an adult and are beyond burning off tires by driving like a twat. The truck does what it should and it does it well. If you feel the need to drive irresponsibly and complain your truck has too many nanny features to allow this you are an idiot. It’s ok. We all were little boys with more enthusiasm than brains when we were younger. Most grow out of this.

I hit black ice this winter when approaching a stop at a T intersection. At the last second I saw the vehicle I was going to blow past as I tried to miss the stop sign and over the snowbank and up the front yard and into the tree line. Those nanny features helped keep the truck under control after hitting black ice and having to dodge a stop sign a tree and then a pine tree line next to the field. I turned around with zero damage and missed all sorts of obstacles that in a pre-abs and nanny featured truck wouldn’t have avoided. So you go and complain about not being able to drive like a twat. I will be quite happy when mine steps in when shit goes sideways.

 

Dude, why must you resort to name calling? Twat? For real, who is the little boy in this situation?

 

If the word fits.... I know when I was young and driving like that the word fit me then and the word still fits driving like that. If you have an issue then report me.

You will have a hard time finding anyone in Toyota corporate to consider the driving described as mature and normal. Therefore the truck they designed is working as designed and is doing this job in keeping you in control. Sorry if you ended up with trucks that don’t allow irresponsible driving.

 

Ah, gotcha.

 

Not sure how old you actually are...but Im sure impressed by the mature dialog you got going on. I remember too when I was a young guy with a hot head for things...you live and learn like most.

It seems to become more prevalent in this thread that one must excessively explain things...my truck rolls with 35s and 4.56 gearing. Im typically the slow guy by design as it is. When Im driving in granny mode, its normally 7-12 mph UNDER the speed limit.

Yes, on wet surfaces the tires can get weird as magical things can take place beyond the realm of 35 mph.

Sorry brother that Im not the speed demon like you advertise.

 

Wait...are you salty about how critical the third gen community is about their amenities?