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Feeler-AR15 lower for trade

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by thinkingman, Jan 1, 2013.

  1. Jan 3, 2013 at 2:40 PM
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    97yota4wd

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  2. Jan 3, 2013 at 2:42 PM
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  3. Jan 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM
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    Seriously though, OP- sorry everyone is being a dick.
     
  4. Jan 3, 2013 at 2:47 PM
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  5. Jan 3, 2013 at 3:09 PM
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    Just for the record:


    1. Definitely not 22;
    2. Don't drink Red Bull;
    3. Not full of bravado but, do have confidence backed up by years of experience;
    4. I made it through the '94 ban just fine (see item # 1);
    5. I never purchase(d) into a hysteria driven market thus never purchased an $80 Glock magazine and I've never paid more than $11 for a P-Mag;
    6. Yes, Brownells and other providers do treat me well;
    7. I have 61 posts on this forum because I don't have tons of time to post archaic and worthless information for public consumption; and
    8. If you've read the draft legislation you'll know that the AWB that Sen. Feinstein dreamed up this time currently has no "sunset" provision, thus long-term is a bit longer than 10 years.
    In regards to my comment to "Kona" I can read quite well and I can read forum rules...thus, regardless of my "post count" I am correct in what I stated.


    If you'd like to make any more asinine comments, please do so. The fact remains that while your feeler may be attractive to some the simple fact is that you are attempting to leverage a $79 stripped lower for an item of much greater market worth. Furthermore, you're only in a position to do so precisely because of the hysteria driven market that the country is currently experiencing, which was brought about by a tragic event. So, in essence you (and others) are directly profiting off of the deaths of 26 innocent people...that is something that I and others refuse to do.



    Thank you for your kind and sarcastic words...and I am sure you are comfortable with your ethics. That's the great thing with ethics...many people adjust them to fit the current "environment". Unfortunately, that doesn't make it right.



    Good day sir.


    - Mark
     
  6. Jan 3, 2013 at 3:29 PM
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  7. Jan 3, 2013 at 5:51 PM
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    From a distinguished road to a sharper tool in the shed in one thread.... :cool:
     
  9. Jan 3, 2013 at 6:35 PM
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  10. Jan 3, 2013 at 6:55 PM
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    All -

    I am not trying to be a dick but, I don't appreciate it when I see fellow gun owners and firearm related companies taking advantage of a tragic situation. There are dozens of companies that attempted to maximize profits in the short term but, will lose thousands of customers for life. I understand the ops motives (leveraging the current market to his advantage) but, I don't agree with it and nor should our fellow gun owners, fellow sportsmanship, and fellow firearm professionals agree and / or support it. In addition and more importantly...this is not the free market at work. The threat of an AWB and the tragic events in Newtown fundamentally have altered and will influence the market for the near and possibly distant future. These influences have removed the "free" from the free market argument for the time being. True no one is twisting anyone's arm but, the fundamental question is...is leveraging Newtown for personal gain the proper thing to do? I say no...and I will defend that position. The op took this argument personal by making sarcastic references to my wisdom. I believe I responded appropriately. I'm finished with this thread...as I have made my point and just perhaps the op will think about his actions in the greater context. We should all be sticking together and supporting each other as gun owners during this time...that's the only hope of retaining the 2nd Amendment in the context it was originally intended (read the Federalist Papers). As for the op...never bring a knife to a gunfight and if I ever meet you I'll buy you a cold beer of your choice.

    Post # 63

    - Mark
     
  11. Jan 3, 2013 at 6:57 PM
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  13. Jan 3, 2013 at 9:03 PM
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  14. Jan 4, 2013 at 6:50 AM
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    OK, Mark, I get your point.
    Profiteering, I'm not.
    I have been an amateur gun trader for a few years and I watched my friends, against my advice, buy at inflated prices around the first Obama election.
    I told them paying $400 for a lower just because of election hysteria was a bad decision, and the market did cool down, and now they can just now sell their pieces for what they paid.
    Hysteria comes around at different times and has the same effect each time.
    I have watched different styles of firearms go up and down in value, sometimes because of a movie character, sometimes because of political drama.
    You might notice, I have not asked or offered a cash price.
    If I was asking $500 for a stripped lower (or $1300 for a DPMS with a lot of miles on it), that would be gouging, profiteering, whatever.
    As someone in another post mentioned, we are not talking baby formula here.
    It is a luxury item.
    Not food, not water, not oxygen.
    In re your point about SHES being the catalyst, I have an 8 yr old son and this tragedy hit me more than any other in history....and I have been around for Tim McVeigh, 9/11, others in my adult life.
    I could not bear to read details for the first 72 hours after it ocurred and I take offense at your suggestion that I am taking advantage of the pain and suffering of those kids, their parents, teachers, and first-responders.
    Theirs is a pain I can only imagine and my heart truly breaks for them.
    Christmas this year was particularly poignant for me because I couldn't shake the image of parents having to deal with gifts purchased and the child not alive to receive them.
    Absolutely breaks my heart.
    Do not accuse me again of attempting to profit from their death.
    If somebody wants to trade an old dust-collector for something THEY deem equal or more valuable, they have the right to do it.
    If they don't, they don't.
    You can keep your perspective to yourself as far as my methods, timing, and motivation.
    You don't know me and you don't know what I'm feeling.

    Mods, lock thread.
    I'm sick of this now.
     
  15. Jan 4, 2013 at 6:54 AM
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  16. Jan 4, 2013 at 7:14 AM
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    I'd trade you this. It's chambered in .177 :D

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  17. Jan 4, 2013 at 7:16 AM
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    Thinkingman -

    Let me be very straight on this point...I never said or implied that your motive was to directly take advantage of the Newtown incident...period. What I did say is that you are in a position to leverage the market to your advantage solely because of that incident. So, in essence anyone selling at higher than MSRP prices right now is in fact profiting off of the incident, solely as a cause and effect...not intent.

    It's unimportant if that was your motive or not, but the fact is that the market conditions that would even allow you to think about trading a $79 lower for a quality handgun / optic / etc. are only in place because of the Newtown incident. Cause and effect...I have never believed for a second that you sat down and being the "thinking man" thought..."I bet you I can profit off of those 26 innocent people". I don't think any decent human being with half a heart would ever think in that vein.

    But, there is no denying that all the individuals and companies that are increasing their profit margin in the current market are doing so as a cause and effect of the Newtown incident. There is absolutely no way to deny that...it happened...the Legislative Branch hinted at a response...and the market reacted. As with any market influence...you have to get to the source of the condition.

    I hope that clarifies things for you, and in all seriousness this discussion has gone two steps past where it should have. I believe we are both at fault for that and as a gentleman, if I offended you...you have my apologies as that was not my intent.

    - Mark
     
  18. Jan 4, 2013 at 7:19 AM
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  20. Jan 4, 2013 at 8:26 AM
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    Thanks.
    Well-written and I accept your apology.
    Now, if you want to debate the demand side of the equation being an influence on my decision......
     
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