Firearm BS thread

I doubt they do. Most people do not understand that the background check only tells the federal government that you are trying to purchase either a pistol or a long gun. The actual serial #'s that can be linked to a firearm is all point of sale held at the actual selling gun store. It's just not worth trying to enlighten people on the matter most of the time.

 

Remember the Dallas shooting a few years back? The piece of shit bought a rifle via private sale, and .gov came to the private seller.

From my understanding, even if there isn't a registry (ie, Lookup John Doe and find out all firearms he has) .gov is able to see a serial number, find out the FFL, and go through their records to find out who legally purchased it last. Or am I way off?


By a FFL taking the rifle into their inventory, there are federal forms that show that I no longer am in possession of the firearm, which is all I care about.

 

I am not knocking you for doing what you do. Yes law enforcement can track the registered owner from the records the gun store is required to keep. If you sold the firearm legally and to someone who has a valid CCW or can lawfully posses it and you have there information you are covered. I rarely sell a firearm and the few times I have it has been to a close friend or family member so keep that in mind. There is absolutely nothing wrong with transferring weapons through an FFL and it is the recommended way to sell a firearm. All I was saying is it is not a requirement in many states and if given the option when purchasing a used firearm and having it not registered I would prefer that no one know I have it. Not due to the potential of using it in an illegal capacity but simply for piece of mind that our government would have a much harder time taking away my property if it ever came to that.

 

Gotcha. I understand when dealing with somebody close you've known for years and years being able to confidently sell it to them and trusting it's in good hands. But a stranger from the internet? I don't care how much of a saint you claim you are, you aren't taking ownership of a firearm that goes back to me.

 

It is available at just about all State law enforcement locations if you get clearance.

 

No need for any of that in Florida. I still have the buyer fill out a bill of sale, I then take a photo of their DL and CWP.

Last time I sold a gun on armslist, my ffl received a phone call from atf about it. I was good though since I took all the precautions . I had he paper work that everything I did on my end was good.

The guy didn’t need to show me anything though from my understanding. I can just sell and call it a day. Which is pretty scary considering I can do that with a complete stranger.

 

Really? I've always been a fan of Sig Handguns, surprised to hear their rifle wasn't up to par.

What made it so unlikable?

 

Been trying to sell an RC car on Craigslist for a while but everyone wants to give you $3.50 for something worth $350.00.

Anyway a guy asked me if I would trade something for it, I told him I'd really only entertain guns as that usually ends the conversation quickly but he actually had a firearm to offer me.

Said he was only trading it as it was his only gun and his new girlfriend didn't want him to own guns. (To make a man willing to get rid of his only firearm, must of been some hell of a good well now...)

He said he didn't know anything about it other than it was old, he had never shot it and it was a hand down from his Great Grandfather.

Some quick research put the approximate value equal to or greater than what I was looking to get out of the RC so I accepted, plus hey, new (antique) toy!

He didn't want to see my DL or CWP which I thought was odd, no way I would be willing to put a weapon in the hands of a stranger without seeing some proof of a BGC pass.

Anyway, I now own a nice little .25 ACP Astra Firecat. It has no letter stamp allowing me date the year made although it does have proof stamps which makes it a little confusing as from my research proofing and dating go hand in hand but its potentially pre 1927, even as old as 1912 though I highly doubt it. My estimate is pre WWII, that's as specific as I can be.

It does have the original EU stamped (Esperanza Y Unceta) grips made of cutting edge technology (nigh on one hundred years ago) plastic which put it closer to original production dates in tbe 1920's.

If anyone can help date it it would be much appreciated.

Debating whether or not to even shoot it, although I did go pick up a box of Fiocchi ball FMJ. I don't want to diminish it's value as a historic piece although confirming its functionality may increase its potential value?



Never owned an antique firearm, perhaps someone can chime in with some guidance. Considering it's age it's in great shape.

So far all I have done is disassemble it (comes apart rather strangely in comparison to all other handguns I'm familiar with, it's rather interesting.) clean it gently, and put on some oil to protect it.

I don't want to remove the patina or 'restore' it as apparently that will hurt value, understandably.

I also put it in an old case I had laying around with the ancient winchester ammo that came with it. The previous owner said his GGpaw also gave him the ammo. Guy kept this thing in a dishrag in his dresser he said.

Obviously not a gun guy.

Without further adieu:



I know it's a mouse gun with practically the same ballistics of a modern .22lr but damn this thing is TINY.

 

It never made it through a 20rd mag without at least 3 light primer strikes (and it wasn't bad ammo, because it all ran fine through my WASR). It went back for warranty work a couple of times, but they couldn't/wouldn't get it to work. Their only response was to feed it match grade ammo, while others were feeding theirs Wolf with no hiccups.

 

then no sale bro lol , its that simple.

ive only sold a few guns, one to a stranger, who i received calls from the atf. CYA bud, too many crazies out there

 

In my state you can buy/sell any regular firearm without any FFL interference, it's awesome.
standard practice is to have buyer present ID/Carry permit, or if they only have ID then make a copy of the ID, if you're iffy about the gun being stolen even if you don't know an officer you know somebody who does and you can call them and ask them to run the info (I've never heard of anyone turning down the request).

 

Re: Private Sales
Florida just established a law requiring mandatory background checks through licensed FFLs on all private transfers, though I've yet to see the final verbiage. Not that it is completely enforceable by any stretch of the imagination.

 

link?

 

Anyone else master hands free gun control?

 

I'll pull it up when I get back to my laptop. It was tied into the laws passed after Parkland.

 

The key is how they define "transfer." Some proposed bills I heard about would make it illegal to let your buddy shoot your gun at a gun range. You hand it to him, he fires a few rounds through it, and hands it back. Two illegal transfers. Others wouldn't be that strict, but would make it illegal to lend someone a rifle that he keeps in his possession for a couple weeks to hunt with. Check the exact wording so you can stay 100% legal.

 

A correction is in order. The background check verbiage was not included in the final version that was signed by the governor, though it was in the version that originally passed from the senate to the house. . I'm not sure at what stage it was pulled, but there were over 200 amendments made to the bill.

 

Exactly. I could just sell a random internet stranger a rifle that's in my name and call it a day. But, I won't. Any firearm you purchase through a dealer has a paper trail back to you, whether you live in a state that has registration or not.

If somebody doesn't want to have it transferred to them so it's out of my name and into theirs, then I'm not meeting them. Only tinfoils and prohibited persons would have that opinion, and by clarifying it before I meet up then it saves me a lot of hassle.

 

IMO, random person private gun sales are just too much risk in this day and age. I used to work at gun shows with an FFL. I have seen more than my share of nutjobs and some of the wackiest shit you could ever imagine.

 

Unless you go to the original point of sale to complete a new 4473 with the buyer (and ensure the new 4473 is filed with the old), the trail will end with you anyway.

Traceability goes like this:

• Gun used in crime
• Police contact manufacturer
• Manufacturer reports what distributor the gun was sold to
• Distributor reports what retailer it was sold to
• Retailer has original 4473 and no other records to go on

It's doubtful that, in most cases, law enforcement would go through any of the above hassle to track down a firearm's origin (unless it was an NFA firearm). More than likely, they check the serial number to see if it was reported stolen. If yes, they might contact the person that reported it stolen. More likely than not it goes into a melt pile after any trial related to the original crime is over. Case in point, I had an AR pistol stolen back in 2009. I never got any updates and my inquiries went nowhere. Last time I checked (through an indirect source in late 2010/early 2011), I was informed that it had been recovered but the serial number was present on a destruction manifest.