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Fitting 35’s with minimal trimming NOW ADDING LONG TRAVEL AND 934 CV’s

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Builds (2005-2015)' started by 81Trekker, Aug 25, 2019.

  1. Aug 6, 2021 at 5:27 AM
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    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/daymans-karate-class-but-you-wont-learn-nothin-4-link-lt-and-previous-iterations.755134/
    For the toe I’m seeing I doubt any range the alignment tabs offer would correct it.
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  2. Aug 6, 2021 at 5:37 AM
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    bro you can’t change kits and re use your previous alignment settings every aftermarket kit has different geometry to improve the geometry and correct oe issues you need an alignment but don’t do it until you swap out your coils
     
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  3. Aug 6, 2021 at 5:38 AM
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    Right but it also looks like you're way cambered in. Camber affects toe so if camber is way out you'll never get toe right. The order of operations for an alignment because of affecting the other measurements is camber, caster, toe. Get the 1st 2 correc then adjust toe because they will make changes to toe
     
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  4. Aug 6, 2021 at 5:39 AM
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    toe is not an isolated adjustment it is greatly impacted by camber and caster, that is why alignments are complicated you can’t just tweak one thing without affecting others
     
  5. Aug 6, 2021 at 5:40 AM
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    Looks like you have plenty of threads to toe it in. Get a buddy and a measuring tape and try and get about 1/8in toe in.

    I havent paid for an alignment for years. You can get it close enough with a measuring tape.
     
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  6. Aug 6, 2021 at 5:47 AM
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    This is exactly what I do. And if my tires wear a little faster from being a hair off, so be it. I’d rather buy new tires a little earlier than constantly pay for alignments. But so far they’re wearing pretty evenly
     
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  7. Aug 6, 2021 at 5:49 AM
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    Since we’re on the topic of alignments, this is how mine sat when I first finished up :humble:

    CF67BDAD-2A39-4526-8220-725A31BBADA9.jpg
     
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  8. Aug 6, 2021 at 5:54 AM
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    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/daymans-karate-class-but-you-wont-learn-nothin-4-link-lt-and-previous-iterations.755134/
    I didn’t. My camber is close to zero or very slightly negative. I don’t see any range the alignment tabs could offer to bring the tie rods in as much as they need unless I’m missing something
     
  9. Aug 6, 2021 at 5:55 AM
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    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/daymans-karate-class-but-you-wont-learn-nothin-4-link-lt-and-previous-iterations.755134/
    They are threaded all the way into the extension minus a quarter turn
     
  10. Aug 6, 2021 at 6:02 AM
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    Sounds like your inner tie rods are too long then. Probably an issue with using not oem parts. Leave the nut on and cut off about whats showing, then screw the nut off. Then reassemble.
     
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  11. Aug 6, 2021 at 6:08 AM
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    I have moog now but I kept my OEM inners and outers so I’ll compare them
     
  12. Aug 6, 2021 at 6:16 AM
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    Set your camber to -1 deg. That will help your Toe adjustment, give you a little better handling, and not affect tire wear at all.

    You want 3 to 5 deg on caster too, adding more will also help with toe.
     
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    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/daymans-karate-class-but-you-wont-learn-nothin-4-link-lt-and-previous-iterations.755134/
    I think the camber and castor is almost dead on, I’m just out of toe-in adjustment for some reason. Could be the moog are too long, but I’ll compare with OEM this afternoon
     
  14. Aug 6, 2021 at 7:22 AM
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    So then what is your camber/caster set at?
     
  15. Aug 6, 2021 at 7:32 AM
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    No way to know for sure without a machine or smarter human than myself, but I’ve adjusted the taco tabs for the settings that gave the best camber/caster relationship. There’s only so many combinations you can get with them, but enough to get a decent alignment. No camber/castor adjustment would allow for the toe to be brought in as much as it needs though.
     
  16. Aug 6, 2021 at 7:36 AM
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    Accurate camber/caster number are very important for these trucks to drive correctly. If you don’t actually know where you are at then I don’t understand how you think the alignment is decent?

    My advice would be to put the stock alignment cams back in and take it somewhere to get a real alignment... the results will be night and day
     
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    You can’t say you’re dead on and then say you don’t know.. lol. Go get an alignment first.
     
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    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/daymans-karate-class-but-you-wont-learn-nothin-4-link-lt-and-previous-iterations.755134/
    I agree, but we are talking big picture numbers right now not single degrees and 1/8”s. I could go to the extremes of the alignment tabs in any combination you could imagine but there’s no way it’ll bring the toe in an extra 1-2” that it needs. I’ve never seen toe out this bad and not had any room to bring it in. Pictures aren’t accurate in these scenarios but here’s dead on.
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    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/daymans-karate-class-but-you-wont-learn-nothin-4-link-lt-and-previous-iterations.755134/
    Fair enough, dead on isn’t the best term. Roughed in or as good as it gets with taco tabs is more accurate. There’s no amount of adjustment that would bring the tie rods in 1” per side that I’m aware of. I could be wrong.
     
  20. Aug 6, 2021 at 7:52 AM
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    Camber and caster dramatically effects toe and if you have no idea what your camber/caster is then trying to set is pointless
     
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