Florida B.S. Thread

AH, MUD

 

I really dont know what to do at this point, we changed the starter, triple checked the cables to the starter, checked the fuses, tried tapping on the starter, the battery is good, and tried jumpin the truck...and to still no avail, nothing...just sits there and tries to turnover but wont start up, dont know if maybe the fuel filter has something in it or what....

 

Can any of the FL LEO's on here explain to me what the laws are generally for carrying a knife? The internet is rather vague on the issue and I'd prefer not to inadvertently breaking any laws.

 

In the fuse panel under the hood I want you to find the blue relay that says C/OPN. Swap that one with another one that is identical to it and try to start it to see what happens.

 

What is your question about the law? Having a folding pocket knife is acceptable where the pocket clip is out. I have never charged anyone with carrying a concealed knife so not real sure about it but as long as you let the cop know about it you should be fine also, as long as you are not breaking any other laws. Most cops don't care as long as you are not using it as a weapon. Just let them know about it.

 

I carry a roughly 4" folding knife clipped to my right pocket.

When I'm in the woods I have another knife with a fixed blade I wear on in a sheath from my belt. It's probably around 8" (fixed). Last few weeks I'd just been leaving it in my truck. Had a friend tell me last night that it wasn't legal to carry a knife that large or have it in the truck just driving about. Just curious. I'd always assumed if it was visible and not being used in a threatening manor it was ok.

 

I just think a knife that size, larger than 4", is OK to open carry. So if its laying in your truck its fine. If asked "guns, knives, anything sharp in the truck?" Then just tell them where it is. Shouldn't be a problem at all....

 

Florida Knife Laws Explained

Florida has one of the most vague concealed carry knife laws of all 50 states. This means that you must read case precedence to see what is legal and what is not. Don’t worry, we did all the hard work for you. Below is what Florida law says about knives in everyday English. It includes excerpts from the law as well as case decisions.
What is Legal to Own

• Balisong knives are legal.
• Belt knives, cane knives, and other disguised knives are legal.
• Bowie knives and other large knives are legal.
• Throwing stars and throwing knives are legal.
• Undetectable knives (knives that will not set off metal detectors) are legal.
• Ballistic knives are illegal.

The law does not limit individuals from owning, selling, or buying any knife except for ballistic knives.
Limits on Carry

• You can open carry any knife.
• Box cutters, multi-tools, and other work knives are legal to carry concealed.
• In most cases, conceal carry of a common pocket knife with a blade of less than 4 inches is legal.
• Anything outside of this has not been expressly banned or allowed.

What the Law Says

Fla. Stat. § 790.01 (2012)
§ 790.01. Carrying concealed weapons
[A] person who carries a concealed weapon [...] on or about his or her person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
“Concealed weapon” means any dirk, metallic knuckles, slungshot, billie, tear gas gun, chemical weapon or device, or other deadly weapon carried on or about a person in such a manner as to conceal the weapon from the ordinary sight of another person.
“Weapon” means any dirk, knife, metallic knuckles, slungshot, billie, tear gas gun, chemical weapon or device, or other deadly weapon except a firearm or a common pocketknife, plastic knife, or blunt-bladed table knife.
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It is a crime to carry a concealed weapon. Concealed weapon means any deadly weapon that is outside of sight of others. Courts have found that deadly weapons are weapons that can cause death or grave bodily harm. So, what kinds of knives counts as deadly weapons? What is a “common pocket knife? Well, the law doesn’t say so it is up to the courts to determine.
The case of Porter vs. State in 2001 found that a pocket knife is a “common pocket knife” only if the blade is less than 4 inches in length and the knife is in the closed position. Police found Porter with a 4 inch folder knife in the open position in her purse. She was arrested for possession of a weapon by a convicted felon and found guilty. She appealed stating that the knife is a common pocket knife but the appeal court turned down her appeal. This means that, if a pocket knife is over 4 inches and in the open position, it is a weapon and excluded from being a “common pocket knife.”
However, if the pocket knife has too many features, it might not be a “common pocket knife.” The case of F.R. vs State in 2012 found that 3 inch pocket knife with serrations, a notch grip, hilt guard, and locking mechanism does not count as a “common pocket knife.” If his knife did not have serrations, a notch grip, hilt guard, and locking mechanism, it might of been a “common pocket knife.”
If the knife was designed for utility and not harm, it is not a deadly weapon. In the case of Holley v. State in 2004, it was found that a box cutter or razor knife does not qualify as a deadly weapon because it was designed for utility not bodily harm.
In addition to the physical characteristics of the knife, the courts also decided that how the knife was used and handled needs to be taken into account as well. In the case of Mims v. State, Mims was found guilty of carrying a concealed weapon for having a pocket knife in his pocket during a robbery.
These cases still do not present that clear of a picture of what type of knife is a weapon and the case of Bell vs. State in 1996 found that it is up to the jury to decide if a knife is a deadly weapon given the definition of a deadly weapon, the knife, and how the knife was used into consideration. Judges can not make the decision.
The case of Hardy vs. State in 1992 found that a knife inside of a vehicle is not concealed if the knife and sheath is visible from the outside. Having a knife in the vehicle usually counts as having a concealed weapon but, if it is visible threw the windows, it is not concealed.
What does this all mean? It means that you should stick to a plain 4 inch pocket knife, multi-tool, or box cutter. Any other type of knife can be illegal.
Ballistic Knife Ban

Fla. Stat. § 790.225 (2012)
§ 790.225. Ballistic self-propelled knives; unlawful to manufacture, sell, or possess; forfeiture; penalty
(1) It is unlawful for any person to manufacture, display, sell, own, possess, or use a ballistic self-propelled knife which is a device that propels a knifelike blade as a projectile and which physically separates the blade from the device by means of a coil spring, elastic material, or compressed gas. A ballistic self-propelled knife is declared to be a dangerous or deadly weapon and a contraband item. It shall be subject to seizure and shall be disposed of as provided in s. 790.08(1) and (6).
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Ballistic knives are also illegal under federal law so it is best to stay away from them.
Conclusion on Florida Knife Laws

For the most part, Florida knife laws are easy. You can own any knife as long as it is not a ballistic knife and, if you keep your knives at home, you should be fine. You can also open carry any knife you want. You can conceal carry any box cutter, multi-tool, or 4 inch pocket knife. Conceal carry of any other type of knife can or can not be considered carrying a concealed weapon so watch out.
There are also local laws outside of this so look up the laws in your city as well. Most cities in Florida have clearer guidelines on what is legal and illegal than the state law.

 

^^^^ Or yeah what he said ^^^^

 

HERE..http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0790/titl0790.htm&StatuteYear=2008&Title=%2D%3E2008%2D% 3EChapter%20790

 

alright I swapped the FR FOG with the C/OPN fuses, the one right above the C/OPN and nothing, still tries to start

 

How did the call go ???

 

Yeah dude you should be fine just make sure you tell the officer about it. That means keep your hands where they could be seen. Don't reach for it and shove it in the cops face like "see here" you may find yourself some new found contraption to poop outta for the rest of your life. And don't say it like, yeah I'm off my meds and gonna stab you with it unless you can skin that smoke wagon fast enough type of crap. If you have it in a sheath out in the woods and run across the tree police keep your hands up away from it and you should be fine. It's not a problem...

 

I think you may have found it an interesting call. It was a road rage incident and they met in the parking lot of Walgreens (delany and michigan). Anyway One of the guys pulled a gun on the other..Nobody hurt but sounds like it was intense. One of the parties involved took off before we got there. Don't know what happened after that. I went home. the call took me to 10-7 time. The officer responding who was involved in an accident was taken to the hospital and should be OK. I think he may have broken his arm.

 

alright, here is whats happening, first part is quiet for some reason, turn the volume up to hear, second part is pretty loud

 

What if you put it in neutral instead of park? So try to start it in neutral with the ebrake on.

 

The starter is doing its job now, In the battery change you might have got a fuse or the brain..

 

I'm no professional, but that sure as heck sounds like you lost compression to me. Just my opinion based on the last 10 seconds of your video, sounds like the engine is free spinning.

 

hmmm, so IF that is the problem, what would I need to do to get the compression back?