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Fog Light Question

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by NEKMTB, Apr 2, 2012.

  1. Apr 2, 2012 at 7:15 PM
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    NEKMTB

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    I am new to Tacomas, I just got a 2012 base model and wanted to see what you guys would suggest as far as fog lights go. Should I go with ones that fit in the stock locations or get some hellas and mount a light bar? Or what brands are good?
    Thanks for the help!
     
  2. Apr 2, 2012 at 7:18 PM
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    If you want max output, get a light bar. Otherwise a set of nice bulbs can go a long way in the stock housings.
     
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    I'm running kc hilites 57 series and no complaints here. dont know much about different companies or much of anything else besides that I know mine work and I've never had any problems.
     
  5. Apr 3, 2012 at 4:30 AM
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    I've got the same set-up, 4 - PIAA 520 driving lights. I found that mounting fog lights on the light bar makes them ineffective (too high).
     
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    I don't know how the 2012's perform, but the '05-'11 fog lights actually perform pretty much as most fog lights should run. You might get better performance out of really expensive fog lights, but probably not enough to justify.

    What are you trying to accomplish with fog lights? Most people aren't really looking for "fog" lights (fog lights are very low-speed lights to help you through the worst weather). That will pretty much guide what you want.
     
  8. Apr 6, 2012 at 1:51 PM
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    Thats what I'm looking for, some help in fog and snow I have to drive a lot of back roads no matter the weather for work.
     
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    Do the fog anytime mod. Then get some driving lights. Any time it's not snowy or foggy, you'll be in fat city.
     
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    Right, but what speeds are you expecting to maintain during this weather? Fog lights are meant to light up something like the first 40ft in front of the vehicle to help in REALLY bad conditions. 60MPH is 88 feet per second (IIRC), which is less than half a second's worth in fog light terms. Most people take a couple seconds to respond and begin evasive maneuvering. I've used the fog lights on my truck once semi-legitimately at high speeds (50-55) as it just allowed me to see the snow bank on the side of the road and stay in my lane (due to basically flat light).

    If you're truly looking for fog lights, the cheapest route would be to put brighter bulbs in the factory housings. The 2005-11 models would take 9005's or 9006's (whichever has the black protected tip).

    Since yours is a 2012, I have no experience and can't help much there. However, I would look into what Hella and Cibie have to offer for fog lights. If you want good lights, be prepared to spend the money. Usually over $100 per light, depending. Size and mounting location will be affect it as well.

    Hella and Bosch have made some pretty good fog lights apparently.

    Actually, I do have a recommendation that might work in the 2012 housings, depending on the light pattern. The Hella Micro DE projector fog lights are pretty small, and apparently are very good. I believe you can get them in HID ($$$), or regular halogen (need to check into that). Good cutoff, true foglight, wide light, and the halogens are probably cheaper than factory kit. They seem highly recommended from a couple pros.

    From pictures I've seen, and what I've seen of 2012's in person with fogs, they very well may fit. They are deeper than traditional reflector lights, but you should have lots of room. You'll have to fab a bracket, and made it solid so it doesn't vibrate.

    The DE's are probably about as good as you can do for true fogs and look kind of factory, without a big bar out front. Fog lights need to be mounted fairly low for good results.

    Edit: Make sure you get actual German DE's, not Optilux (Chinese Hella). You might be able to get them from Summit Racing (?), but make sure they are not Optilux. Otherwise, probably $150-200 for a pair of them.
     
  11. Apr 6, 2012 at 5:29 PM
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    ^^^ Great thanks for all the info!
     
  12. Apr 6, 2012 at 6:40 PM
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    Factory fogs are fairly anemic. The 9005/9006 shouldn't really change the pattern (IIRC), just brighter. BUT, you have to get the version with the black tip--not the clear tip. The clear tip will cause extra unwanted glare for you and others.

    The bigger problem ultimately is the housing and wires. Some people have melted their fog light housings. I think the fog light fuse is 15A, which is within spec but a probably a bit closer than it really "should be". The factory is not generous with their wiring.

    I don't really mess with my factory fogs (or DEPO knock-offs), but they should have a flat cutoff that is not glaring, similar to any other fog light--which are all typically 55W units. I pretty much have little to no use for factory fog lights, so I don't really put much effort or thought into them.

    Either way, it wouldn't work with the 2012.
     
  13. Apr 6, 2012 at 6:52 PM
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    i agree with this. I dont have factory fogs, but i do have hella 500's with hid's. I put those on in a snow storm, and i was blinded. Im looking into getting yellow fogs for the factory locations, think that would be best. im sure someone will chime in.
     
  14. Apr 6, 2012 at 6:57 PM
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    Changing from halogen to HID *completely* changes the light pattern. Additionally, you're talking about going from about 1000-1300 lumens to about 3200 lumens--3x the light.

    I have brighter headlight bulbs for example, but since the filament is the same shape, same position, and same light source type, it's compatible as long as the headlights are aimed properly.

    I couldn't use my Lightforces in snow either. Even the regular headlights make it difficult in a serious snow storm--they are too high and you get a lot of light back at you.
     
  15. Apr 6, 2012 at 7:22 PM
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    well just wanted the OP to know that going brighter is not always better. I know we are talking different ball games here in terms of a halogen and hid bulb, but I just wanted to put it out there. The op might have mistaken your info for a brighter bulb and gone for a 3x brighter bulb that could be found in a h.i.d, especially if your just putting them in your stock locations without a retrofit.

    just thought i'd share...
     
  16. Apr 6, 2012 at 7:29 PM
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    to be honest im not to sure what they are called. I know they are not the lamin x ones.

    I just saw them on ebay, and they were a yellow lense. I figured that the yellow would be good in storms. I would hope they are not a film over them. The thought of a film over the lense makes me feel that they could peel very easily--> although i havnt looked into it that much.

    still trying to figure it out.
     
  17. Apr 7, 2012 at 2:26 PM
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    If it is a good film it will hold up well I had the film on my subaru legacy it lasted 5+ years
     
  19. Apr 9, 2012 at 12:53 PM
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    good to know. Maybe ill just buy clear and change the bulb. I'll get the same effect but wont have to worry about peeling and the fogs looking like poop
     
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