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Frame rust recall

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by markey, Feb 14, 2013.

  1. Feb 5, 2019 at 3:30 PM
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    hx989

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    Not really voluntary. They got sued in a class action and this is the court approved settlement
     
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  2. Feb 5, 2019 at 3:34 PM
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    I agree the "LSC" was really in essence an under the radar recall. Toyota at first avoided all the bad media reports/news by offering Tacoma owner 12 years from their "in service date" to have frames inspected, undercoated or replaced. It wasn't until a lawyer from Arkansas that I talked to over the phone started a class action lawsuit, that you saw the headlines in the news about a $3.4 billion settlement, which extended the warranty till 1/31/19, so it took a class action lawsuit to make Toyota admit to the public the 2005-2010 Tacomas had frame rust problems.
     
  3. Feb 6, 2019 at 4:35 AM
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    Not quite. Living in the NE, in salt heaven, i have always made it a point to try and get the truck washed off when the temp nears those temps where the salt if further activated, but most do not have heated garages. I make the point to friends of washing the vehicles, in part, based on temp swings and when salt will more be 'activated' at least a few times a year.

    The point i would make though, is that other than eliminating the wind chill from being outside, i really don't see any advantage to having a vehicle outside over having it in an UNHEATED garage.
     
  4. Feb 6, 2019 at 7:23 AM
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    What's wind chill got to do with anything?
     
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  5. Feb 6, 2019 at 7:53 AM
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    Simply put, the difference in temperatures between outside and being inside an unheated garage. In areas which get cold in teh winter, they often mention 'wind chill'm which refers to teh 'feels like' temperature when cold air is moving by way of wind. An outdoor temp of 2 degrees can have a 'feels like' temp of minus 20, or whatever when taking into consideration being subjected to the open air. You don't get a whole lot of 'wind chill' inside an enclosed structure.
     
  6. Feb 6, 2019 at 7:56 AM
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    Unexceptional
    Wind chill is only relevant to humans. Inanimate objects only know temperature and dew point.
     
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  7. Feb 6, 2019 at 8:35 AM
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    That's why I asked what does it have to do with a truck's temperature. Wind chill is only a 'feels like' measurement and only applies to warm blooded creatures.
     
  8. Feb 6, 2019 at 8:37 AM
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    Yeah, no shit.

    The wind chill was tongue in cheek and had nothing to do with the main point of a an UNheated garage being a far better option than being left outside for numerous reasons. Not sure why anyone would run with the wind chill part.....
     
  9. Feb 6, 2019 at 8:54 AM
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    For the love of God, please just stop.
     
  10. Feb 6, 2019 at 8:55 AM
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    I don't know what wind chill has to do with anything either, you're the one who mentioned it. The reason being inside a structure might make a different is the relative humidity perhaps, temperature is what it is.

    So I dunno what is being argued. Ultimately for how temperature and humidity affect corrosiveness of road salts you only have to refer to the NACE TM-01-69 and SAE J2334 testing to know, which I figure has been looked into by most roads departments. You have to know how badly you expect your bridges and plows to corrode to have any idea what to budget for maintenance and replacement.

    If I was speculating I'd prefer all things being equal (which they are not) to store my truck in whichever environment is more dry. Iron and oxygen can't react without water. Being inside is only better if it's drier. If it's not then being warmer is worse.
     
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  11. Feb 6, 2019 at 10:11 AM
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    East Squirt, i probably shouldn't have tried to be clever. Carry on, Babe.....
     
  12. Feb 6, 2019 at 10:48 AM
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    Will do, Skippy!
     
  13. Feb 6, 2019 at 5:01 PM
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    Corporate qualified my truck for a new frame today.
     
  14. Feb 6, 2019 at 5:38 PM
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    Exactly, people don't realize that an unheated garage that has no air circulation, can keep a car from drying out and when you add the humidity from storing it wet just accelerates the corrosiveness of road salts. A heated garage that dries out the air and removes moisture is a different story though.
     
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  15. Feb 6, 2019 at 7:15 PM
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    I was qualified today as well! Such a relief. I haven't read through this whole thread because it is so long, but if I can offer my advice to those of you researching before you take it to a dealership for its first inspection, learn from this:

    First, I took the truck in blindly without having inspected it myself. Don't do that.
    Second, know what the settlement document defines as the "rust perforation standard" and also know whether you are still eligible according to the defined time period. A GM of a dealership tried to tell me that it had expired. He was wrong. ----"A 10 mm PERFORATION". That's one perforation and you qualify. You won't be approved if it's only through one layer of the two layer frame. Even if the top layer is critically delaminated. MAKE SURE THEY MEASURE IT IN THE CLAIM THEY SUBMIT TO CORPORATE ---- time period; 12 years from date of first purchase.

    Third, listen to the guys on this thread and take a hammer to it. This opened up 2 holes in my frame, which would have been denied otherwise. Light tapping is all you need to find a bad spot.

    I was denied because of no perforations. Persisted enough to get the field rep out after I found the holes. Very impressed with the field rep I met today. A heck of a guy. I had an answer in 40 minutes.

    Do all these things before taking it in and you may avoid some of the same anxiety from the last week!
     
  16. Feb 6, 2019 at 7:31 PM
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    I just got my truck back a few weeks ago.
    Took it in for an inspection (frame had about a 23mm round hole, other wise looked totally fine). Dealer sent paperwork off to Toyota. about a month later they called and said it was approved for a replacement. Brought the truck in 2 weeks later on Wednesday jan 23 first thing in the morning. They called back Friday morning and said it was ready to be picked up! FAST job! The one mechanic who does the frame replacements at this dealership said he has done about 23 so far. So he has it figured out. Labor got billed out for 41 hours.
    New frame, lower control arms, leaf springs, brake lines, nuts bolts and various hardware. I did notice the new frame also had plugs in all the holes and the two sections that are laminated together had pick sealant run along the seams.
    Did I mention the truck is a 2005 with rebuild status! :bananadance:
     
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  17. Feb 6, 2019 at 7:39 PM
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    Wow, I thought it exempted trucks with a rebuilt title status? Either way, nice!
     
  18. Feb 6, 2019 at 7:52 PM
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    Its supposed to, even the mechanic said. I guess they slipped it through some how.
     
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  19. Feb 7, 2019 at 3:30 AM
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    Has anyone had issues with sliders bolted/welded onto the frame? I assume this could potentially speed up the rusting process?

    I don't have them but I'm wondering for those that do.
     
  20. Feb 11, 2019 at 1:08 AM
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    And if Dana had washed the frames after welding and machining operations and not contaminated the rust proof dip it wouldn’t have been a problem.
     
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