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Full size (non-Tacoma) related towing question

Discussion in 'Towing' started by SR-71A, Apr 24, 2023.

  1. Apr 24, 2023 at 1:01 PM
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    I'm considering buying a 2013 Dodge 2500 Cummins from a family member as a secondary vehicle and tow rig. I've never owned a full size so I'm looking for thoughts / opinions regarding the realistic towing capability of a 3/4 ton diesel.

    In my mind Id like to get a dual axle trailer in the 30+ foot range. That would let me load up my Taco, a tractor or other piece of equipment (thinking in the future here), or even two smaller vehicles. Likely in the 12-14k lbs range in terms of trailer + payload weight depending on how everything shakes out. This is all theoretical at this point.

    Skimming some articles online and official Dodge ratings, it looks like all that (and more) can be done without any issue. GCWR of 25,000 and a max trailer weight of 17,270 for the year / model truck in question.

    To the guys that have full size trucks and tow with them, what are your opinions in terms of a realistic number?
     
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  2. Apr 24, 2023 at 1:07 PM
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    Had a coworker go through this. Crawl the forums, as Dodge offers a couple of different transmission/differential options in the heavy duty class. There's one that's rated for big trailers, and another that can't really pull more than your average camper.

    Check your build configuration and get the heaviest drivetrain combo you can.
     
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    The larger trucks (and trailers) bring up the same questions that the smaller trucks do.

    Payload is often the limiting factor. A heavy diesel engine can cut into available payload of 3/4 ton pickup. Check your door sticker for payload.

    Gooseneck trailers will put more weight on the ball than bumper pull, so bumper pull is often easier to remain within payload of a 3/4 ton pickup.

    If you find that you're close to being over payload, you can often move load back on trailer or spin it around so engine is towards rear, etc to lessen weight on the pin. If in doubt, drive loaded truck and trailer over CAT scale.
     
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    Glad you brought that up actually. Didn't want to make my first post too long winded, but I see goosenecks as 'purpose-built' for larger loads which makes them 'better' in my novice mindset. That said all my preliminary numbers have been based on bumper pull. Simply because Id like to keep the bed free for other stuff I see myself wanting to do if I had a full size.

    To @Rock Lobster s point the configuration Id be buying is ~2400-2500 max payload iirc. So definitely something Ill keep in mind
     
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    @ColoradoTJ you tow a bunch of heavy things with full size trucks don't you?
     
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    Just a bit. :anonymous:
     
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    If you plan on pulling a 30' with a couple rigs I would skip the 2500 and go directly to the 3500.

    Let me do some linking for you. I've done a lot of work on Tundras.com since some think the tundra is a 3/4 ton truck.
     
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    So Zack, when I am pulling dual rigs on this 28' trailer...I'm about maxed out on pin weight and tires (on truck). I have 3808 lbs pin weight rating and wish it was 4-4100 lbs. A 30'+ trailer would allow you to adjust pin weight a bit more. As you can see I don't have a lot of room. Only thing I could do in this situation is back the first crawler onto the trailer to put more of the engine weight to the axles of the trailer.

    IMG_2687 3.jpg

    The good thing about where you live is the availability of Midsota trailers. Damn those are nice! Bad thing is you will spend a pretty penny on those. Now if you don't mind a road trip down south...you can get some great deals. If your smart, buy a few smaller trailers and haul them up the New England area and sell for a profit. The cost of trailers peaked during Covid and have been coming back down a bit.

    If you can swing it, buy hydraulic jacks. That is a game changer.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/fyCetg2MQvY?feature=share

    Another if you can swing it, buy the highest rated axles you can. I now buy nothing but 8K axles. On GN trailers this is the way. Both my 24' & 28' trailers have 8K axles. The braking alone is reason enough to go big.

    Buy one of these. I have them on both my goosenecks. These are high theft items.

    https://ganderlock.com/
     
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    Awesome thanks for all the info man. Ill take a read through that thread you linked.

    Ill have to check out Midsota. Certainly don't mind a bit of a drive for the right trailer that will be as versatile as possible for me in the future. Upgraded axles seem like a no brainer to me. I had done some research into Appalachian Trailers, Kaufman Trailers, and Texas Pride - just what turned up on google. Seems like 8k are either standard equipment or optional upgrades on most.

    And just to clarify, Im not necessarily setting out looking for a dedicated tow rig. Family member of mine happened to mention he's looking for a new truck. Got me thinking about buying his 2500 because I know the full history on it. That in turn got me thinking about towing, and what reasonable numbers are :thumbsup:
     
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    Ahhhh, gotcha. Some of the new 3/4 tons have better ratings than my 1 ton.

    I have owned 4 Load Trail's now and really like them. Lots of good manufacturers out there. I purchased my white Load trail in Oklahoma for 7k. In Colorado, I couldn't touch that trailer for under 11k.
     
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    Ain't that the truth. Trucks were rated very conservatively years ago compared to today.

    If I remember right, my old Ford F350 DRW had a published "tow rating" of 13K. That's half ton truck territory these days.
     
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