Fumoto Fact You Might Not Know

I take reasonable care of my machines -- this however is next level!

I know the Amsoil system has used the bypass filter setup for decades now, never heard of someone doing it outside the vehicle.

Was there a particular incident or conversation that got you to this level or was it more of an evolution kind of thing?

Do you do oil analysis as well?

 

I’m an engineer in aerospace and develop procedures for maintaining oil systems and oil analysis. This was a natural progression for me to incorporate this obsessiveness into my vehicles and it doesn’t cost much after the $200 bench setup cost. The filter will last for years and I do use this on three vehicles so the extra few dollars is worth it to me. I’m 60 years old now so ease of use is convenient and the extra level of oil maintenance dovetails nicely and directly into my day to day job.

I’m also competitive as all get up and I don’t need an opponent. I simply love to see what extra care could yield. I’m not old enough to see me get to 1,000,000 miles but that’s why I’m doing this. You should see the lengths I’ve gone to be able to average 66 mpg over a tank of fuel in my Honda!

I don’t analyze the oil because I know the oil is still good using 5,000 change intervals, monthly bypass filtering and use signature series Amsoil. I save the $30 analysis fee twice a year because the oil I take out of the Taco every 5,000 miles gets used in my 250,000 mile Honda.

What I’m doing actually surpasses how we maintain our military aircraft.

 

@mquibble I believe there is a pill or maybe a salve for those traits.

I ordered my F133N this afternoon. It'll be here on Friday. As soon as I hit the 5k mark, I'll install it along with the case of Mobil 1 0w20 I was able to snag at Costco for a decent deal. Cheaper than WallyWorld for 6q, at least. I'll also send a sample off to Blackstone to start baseline for the future.

$37 F133N with LC-10 F-Series Large Body Fumoto Valve with Long Nipple and LC-10 Lever Clip for M12-1.25, Gold

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0887M5LNG

 

Good on you. I get some weird satisfaction when I change my oil, filter my oil or cut the lawn. You should see my lawn! I’ve researched turf care extensively and have over 2,000 hours of research in my lawn. When I’m in, I’m ALL IN!

 

Amen I was following the other thread yeah it blew up . I back you %100 . The valve works flawlessly if you use it proper .

 

I am not worthy!

 

Listen, I’m not for or against Funmoto valves. I wouldn’t have one, simply because I would worry about it snapping off if the skid plate dented or from metal fatigue. Still I recognize street-oriented folks might find them convenient.

However……..the argument that Funmoto valves eliminate the risk of putting a crush washer on backwards is a stretch. If you can’t put the washer on the right way, who’s to say you have the brainpower to remember to close the Funmoto valve? Like it’s clearly “6 of one / half dozen of the other”. The Funmoto valve is just as prone to user error as a drain plug, if not more so. If you can’t handle the responsibility associated with a drain plug, Funmoto isn’t going to help you.

Besides, although the crush washer is technically directional, I’ve never heard of one leaking if it’s on the “wrong way” or if it’s re-used for that matter. I replace mine nonetheless.

Funmoto makes a cool product. I’m glad you enjoy it and usually remember to tighten it.

 

One thing you fail to realize between the two scenarios is every time you change your oil when you have a drain plug you have many potential failure modes. I listed about 10 failure modes the valve eliminates and multiply that over every oil change and the number grows. The more often you do something and the more things that can go wrong each time increases the risk of a failure. A Fumoto valve reduces the number of failure opportunities dramatically.

Did you catch how I made a mistake with the Fumoto and it still didn’t fail on me? No lost oil. Not stranded. No repair cost. I simply had a nice reminder to take more care and the system had my back and protected me.

Apparently my post isn’t for you but rather others who already have the valve or those considering one. Nobody is trying to convert you. Why do feel the need to convert us?

Tecnically we don’t tighten the valve after the install. We close it.

 

I would reread my post, more slowly.

 

Agreed! I have one, and love it.

I'm not worried about it breaking off on a trail, either, because I have real skids.

 

This is not oem washer. It is dark grey and flat as the Earth....

 

Ok. I’ve read it now three times. I agree the plug and valve are both prone to a failure. What I don’t agree with is that they both have the same number of potential failure modes. All things being equal if “ A” can fail 100 different ways and “B” can only fail 10 ways it’s reasonable to believe “A” will likely fail at a rate of 10:1 compared to “B”. Thoughts?

 

Correct. I guess you missed where I said here’s an example of a similar washer. Actually, I don’t recall what the OEM washer is for the engine oil plug. I do recall all of the washers I replaced on the differentials, transfer and tranny. I stand corrected. Thank you.

 

Okay. I’ll bite. Let’s see this lawn. I went with tiffway419. Curious to see what you got going over there.

also, which reel mower did you settle on?

 

Lol, I’d go grab a pic if it wasn’t dark now. I actually don’t have a reel mower-yet. I live in New England so it is just a tad more difficult here. I’m going to install in ground irrigation in a portion of my lawn next spring to test it all out. Once I do this I’m going to toy with a Rye / Bluegrass mixture and get the cut height down to 3/4” initially using a reel mower. Something like an Allett.

I will have to work the top dressing of a sand / compost mixture to level the lawn off real good. There’s a fairly rigorous process to do this correctly.

 

I’m not sure I want to spend my evening thinking about this debate, however, I appreciate that you did reread my post.

I’m not arguing that this valve cannot be prudently used to provide a nice oil change experience for its devotees. However, drain plugs are very simple, durable, and basic in concept. The Fumoto valve is also basic to operate, but introduces some of its own unique risks as well. The drain plug is largely indestructible once installed and properly torqued. I’ve never heard someone say “I broke my drain plug on the trail”. The valve, like it or lump it, can be become damaged if a rock or log or some other thing compromises/dents whatever plate you are using to guard it, or gets up over the skid plate. For me, that risk, however slim, isn’t worth the bother. For others it totally is. An argument can be made for both systems, but the “which system is most likely to survive a nuclear blast?” award would probably go to the lowly drain plug.

 

With these "fumoto" plugs couldn't some ass wipe just crawl under the truck open it up by hand or do you have to use some sort of key/tool?

 

I understand you completely and have said earlier in this post I’m not averse to the ol drain plug method. I make my living at evaluating and mitigating risk for flight and ground operations so I am keenly aware of investigating situations. For ME, and all that I do to maintain my oil system, the Fumoto is the way to go. I believe the most important thing is to just CHANGE your oil and if one way or the other provides you with more encouragement to do it- that’s all that matters.