Gangs as domestic terrorists...

The terrorists we have to be concerned with are the millions of illegal immigrants who are putting their kids in school and taking with out giving back as stated above, and the drug smugglers that cross the border daily. This cheap heroin is a big problem!

 

MS-13 originated in El Salvador and migrated to all parts of the United States. Los Angeles happens to have the biggest cell of MS-13 members. MS stand for Mara Salvatrucha.

 

terrorist gets thrown around a lot lately. i say no, they are not the same as terrorists. we have to be careful when using the terror label. wasn't it just in this past year that people displaying Gadsden Flags were looked upon as potential "domestic terrorists" from our media's perspective. i'm sure the British would've called the revolutionaries of this country terrorists...if they had ever heard of such a thing back then.

terrorists are not in it for the $$$, but rather religion & politics(two of my favorite things BTW)...i'm pretty sure the main motivation behind gang violence can be linked to making money. also...it seems to me that most gang violence usually occurs towards another gang (bloods & crips), whereas "terrorist" acts seem to be towards the government. i mean...Al Quida doesn't have a problem with ME personaly...but i'm pretty sure they hate my current government and their policies and would kill me just to piss them off.

 

not sure where your from..but in socal..especially the south central area of la..athens...watts..there is a large portion of ms 13. trust me i run on guys gettin shot all the time either ms13..junior mafia..crips..bloods all the stupidness

 

Exactly, the word is already over used, we don't need to spread it around any more in the guise of security when it's going to be used to broaded the Governments power.

 

Anyone or any group or gang etc who is doing harm to innocent people are terrorist, crooks, badguys, really nasty people, poorly developed social skilled people, having a bad day people, etc,etc,etc.... Call it them what you want, they are dirtbags and need to be cleaned up. Unfortunately having a term legally defined is important to the lawyers so they can make money and keep the scum out of jail.

 

I'm not saying gang members are worth two cents, but I can't see how gang members can be classified as domestic terrorists. Gang members are not attacking the fabric of what America stands for. I think their fight is fundamentally different from each other. Gangs attack other gang members for drug territory or such. I don't see how you could classify a Timothy McVay with a Raul or Jose, Bob the gang member on the side of the street slinging crack. Their purpose for inflciting violence has a complete different roots of aggression.

 

you forgot: retards, homos, handicaps and Jews...

sorry man, but you come off as Hitler from your above post--^

 

Good arguement. You may not think gangs do not attack the fabric of American society, but I do. Their very presence in a community attacks the fabric of society. They rob, extort, assault, murder, rape. Those activities are not subject to just inter-gang crimes, they involve the community around them, which impedes on people's rights, property and sometimes lives.

Think also of the recruitment of pre-teen kids. Brainwashing and controlling their minds is not too different from what Al Qaeda does. This impedes on the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness of the kids and their families. That is attacking the fabric of society.

 

Love the avatar... Name so I can look it up later?

P.S. IBTL

 

Well, it first depends on ones definition of a gang.

But more importantly is that stereotyping any group of people usually isn't a good idea.

As far as if a group of people should be considered terrorists or not, I'd have to say that it would depend on the actions of the group. If the group promotes terrorist like activities, then yes. If the group doesn't promote those type of activities, then no. It should be on a case by case basis, not on a tv/movie stereotype (no clue how true these stereotypes are).

 

x2 . One of members got sent back to El Salvador and started an MS13 there after being sent back.

 

This is a very slippery slope.

What if we were all hanging out at a truck meet at some lake where booze wasn't allowed, then a few people got popped.

We could be considered a "truck gang" and prosecuted under those same "domestic terrorist" laws.

Totally not what the law is designed for, but going by the past actions of the Government, not entirely unrealistic to think it could happen.

 

What I'm asking is about known gangs with known affiliations into int'l drug/arms/human trafficking. MS-13 is my prime example with gangs like the Triads and the Mexican mafia as close seconds. I do think there should be a well defined line between "terrorist" and "criminals" and the response should be appropriate for both. Let me throw this out there, A man can jump the fence at an abortion rally and be labeled a domestic terrorist, but the leader of a gang with confirmed ties to international criminal organizations that terrorize the populace use coercion and fear to achieve their ends are not? The more I research this, the more I think these cells should be removed from society. Is the Patriot act the answer? Not when it come to the rights of US citizens, however, there are assets adn techniques that could make apprehending these groups easier. Since the feds are getting a lot of people on RICO charges now, there may not be a need for an escalated use of force. Personally I agree with chinas approach, remove the problem and there wont be one. But in our society, that wont fly. At all. There are tons of peripheral issues that go into this, like prison reform and control, rehabilitation, cost of operations/assets, border security and enforcement etc. I just wanted to clarify my line of thought while trying to stay as objective as possible.

 

amigo ... Mara Salvatrucha originated in Los Angeles

founded by immigrants from El Salvador

there is no shortage of information available on Mara Salvatrucha, La Eme and the Latin Kings ... the first two originating in Los Angeles, and the third in Chicago ... the United States, not El Salvador, not Mexico and not Puerto Rico

all originally created to protect the members from being victimized by other gangs, and all evolving into notorious and powerful prison gangs as well as street gangs

 

you're overlooking something here
by example, MS13, Mexican Mafia and Latin Kings have a huge presence in the prison system, and not just here and in our protectorates, but internationally ... originally, by trying to split these organizations up, the california penal system spread them throughout the state, and then ultimately, thanks to the federal prison system, spread them throughout the country. now, the ALL have an international presence, not just on the street but in prisons ... and the prison population has a strong impact upon and even dictates what happens and how out on the streets

so you see, these guys are already in the big house ... and if and until you're ready to start putting them up against the wall ... they're here to stay

this explains the resistance, of those in the know, against housing foreign terrorists, even those captured here, in US prisons

it is the quickest way to spread the cancer throughout the US and the world

it is bad news

and there is nothing RICO statutes can do about it

further, what is overlooked in the battle against foreign terrorist organizations, here and in the media, is that they are economically and not ideologically driven

do you're own homework, but Al Qeda, Muslim Brotherhood ... and the list goes on, there are too many to name, from todays powerbrokers like Hamas, to yesterday's like the PLO, PFLP, etc. ... are all criminal enterprises

... that's right, criminal enterprises, just like Cosa Nostra

they've all got an ideological component, but they are all criminal enterprises, profit driven illegal enterprises ... period

not freedom fighters, not protectors of the people or a cause or an ideology, which even MS13 hinds behind ... an ideology ... but they are all hard and fast criminals ... period.

 

MS13 is a domestic gang!!! They formed in LA do your research!!!!


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Mara Salvatrucha
Mara Salvatrucha gang member with gang's name tattooed on his back Years active 1980 - present Territory North America,
Central America Ethnicity Latino Membership 50,000 Criminal activities Drug trafficking, robbery, contract killing, hijacking, human trafficking, illegal immigration, murder, People smuggling, pandering, extortion, rape, racketeering, assault, kidnapping, and arms trafficking. Allies Sinaloa Cartel, La Familia Michoacana Rivals Beltrán-Leyva Cartel, Los Zetas, Juarez Cartel Mara Salvatrucha (commonly abbreviated as MS, Mara, and MS-13) is a criminal gang that originated in Los Angeles and has spread to Central America, other parts of the United States, and Mexico.[1] The majority of the gang is ethnically composed of Central Americans an active in urban and suburban areas.
Members of MS distinguish themselves by tattoos covering the body and also often the face as well as the use of an own sign language. They are notorious for their use of violence and a subcultural moral code that predominantly consists of merciless revenge and cruel retributions.
This excessive cruelty of the distinguished members of the "Maras" or "Mareros", earned them a path to be recruited by the criminal organization of Sinaloa, Joaquin Guzman, to be trained in handling weapons and counter the force from the Gulf Organization (Los Zetas), a war that rages south of the United States Border.[2][3] [4]

 

I voted in parallel to this guy.

 

I voted no. By definition these two groups (terrorists and gangs) are different. Sure, they may act the same a lot of times, by their intentions are completely different. Organized criminals are not trying to destroy America because of her values, it's just that it happens that way so we perceive them as doing such. Their intent is to make money, increase membership, power, and influence. They do not attack for the sole purpose of fear, in other words to instill terror.
This is not to say that they are low down and worthy of the quick and powerful hand of justice to come calling in the middle of the night. It's just that these two groups are completely different and when it comes to labeling someone as a terrorist we are forced to observe their intentions, not just actions.

 

It is a choice to be "them" and its not a right, the fact that they label themselves as part of a "gang", does just that. There is no newer or broader law being applied to them in his statement, he only recommends that we charge them for acting as domestic terrorist rather than criminals. I do believe that what they do can be very much done so in a terrorist fashion.

I don't feel that trying them in a justice system as "terrorists" would be in any way incriminating them unjustly. They are not just causing damage, they want to be above the law.

This is a pretty standard definition. There is no real way to get around this and there are plenty of "gangs" that seek to be the top in influence in there area's of operation (or broader area's to include the entire US)


Regardless of what we call it, these are acts of terrorism. Whether you call them a terrorist or not is up to you.