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Gen 3 Towing Thread

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by TacoJonn, Jan 28, 2016.

  1. Sep 12, 2021 at 3:44 PM
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  2. Sep 12, 2021 at 3:51 PM
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    That is probably why Toyota took the time to run the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) J2807 towing test and put their recommendations in the owners manual ;-)
     
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  3. Sep 16, 2021 at 6:42 AM
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    Towed my car to LSFest this past weekend from Indy to Bowling Green, KY. Estimated weight of about 5800lbs, cruise control in S4 at 65mph, and it just tows along no issues at all.

    Hand calculated the MPG at the pump was 16.4 going there and 15.5 on the way back!

    Love this thing.


     
  4. Sep 16, 2021 at 7:56 AM
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    I too, was pleasantly surprised when I figured the fuel mileage when towing our boat. Our boat and trailer weigh in at just under 5,000 lbs. and we're getting between 14 & 15 MPG. Couldn't be happier with those numbers!
     
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  5. Sep 16, 2021 at 8:32 AM
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    How much better is towing a non TT? Seems like you all are having such a great time relative to my reasonable time with a 3800# tt.

    @Illini Tacoma What boat/trailer setup are you towing?
     
  6. Sep 16, 2021 at 10:19 AM
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    Obviously, the biggest difference between pulling a boat and a TT is the wind resistance. We have a 28' fifth wheel that we pull with a Ford F-250 Super Duty crew cab long box and the wind is the largest variable factor in fuel mileage an performance. The boat? Not so much.

    Our boat is a 21' deck boat on a tandem axle trailer. The trailer has very good surge brakes and I've installed the largest trans. cooler I could fit in the space available on the Taco. The tongue weight is such that the Taco rear sag is not distinct enough for me to install bags or a Sumo Springs set-up. I would estimate no more that between 2"-3". My wife pulls the boat and she's very sketchy regarding stability at highway speeds (I pull the camper and she pulls the boat) and she's very comfortable pulling the boat at speeds up to 70 MPH. All our towing is on flatland. The mountains might present a different scenario.
     
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  7. Sep 16, 2021 at 11:27 AM
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    My experience: towing a ~5,000lb boat on a decent tandem axle trailer feels nicer/more stable, and gets significantly better gas mileage than a travel trailer that weighs ~3,200.
     
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  8. Sep 16, 2021 at 11:41 AM
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    Couldn't agree more, Fred.
     
  9. Sep 16, 2021 at 1:08 PM
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    It is all about the Fluid Dynamics:

    Air is a fluid and follows similar laws to water since well, (obviously) water is also a fluid.

    Boats are designed to efficiently pass through fluids, therefore, they also pass efficiently through air.

    That is one of the major reasons why a someone that tows a 5,500 lb boat with no issue might not understand why someone towing a similar weight camper would have a different experience.

    As pointed out already, the frontal area (drag) is also a major factor and is why manufactures that design trucks for towing have frontal area requirements that should not be exceeded. Boats are designed to "cut through the water" (or air). Big, boxy campers with frontal areas and the drag coefficient of a barn aren't.

    Weight is but one of several factors that impact the towing experience.
     
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  10. Sep 16, 2021 at 1:51 PM
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    Did you use a weight distribution hitch? I need to pick up a 3300 lb Jeep on a car carrier, should be in the 4300 lb range with 600 lb tongue weight. I have Deaver U402 stage 1 springs.

    EDIT: I just remembered I have no electric brake controller so I will borrow my friend's Ford after all.
     
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  11. Sep 17, 2021 at 6:31 AM
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    No weight distribution hitch, didn't have any issue with sway or anything.

    Buy these, that way you don't have borrow your friends truck!

    https://www.amazon.com/Tekonsha-90195-Electronic-Brake-Control/dp/B000P17NXQ
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0781KTCPT
     
  12. Sep 17, 2021 at 7:14 AM
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    I found that out going downhill with a 5100 lb trailer. You hit terminal velocity fairly quickly. Was wondering about brakes down a long hill, but the trailer is a drag chute that keeps the truck from going too fast. It was kind of funny actually. I had to use the gas pedal to maintain speed going downhill.
     
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    I've def. experienced that but also had it push me down pretty fast as well. Coming down the west side of Mt. Hood for instance it wants to keep pushing me faster. I just drop it into 3rd and only touch the brake occasionally
     
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  14. Sep 17, 2021 at 5:43 PM
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    bigbear1612 said: I just went over Wolfcreek Pass in Colorado 15,500 feet towing my 4400 lb TT
    Wolfcreek pass is 10,856 feet. Not 15,500. Not sure which planet this Wolfcreek Pass was on, but no Earth.
     
  15. Sep 27, 2021 at 10:24 PM
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    Couldn't get the MT into 1st gear on the ramp to pull the 19' ~3500 boat+trailer out of Table Rock Lake. I had to drop it into 4Lo. The ramp had three sharp S-curves and the only way out was keeping it in 4Lo for ~250 yards. I made the turns as gradually as possible, and nothing bad happened with the drivetrain.

    So what exactly are the risks and limits of 4Lo on pavement when towing up steep ramps and then backing the boat up my steep(ish) driveway?

    Unfortunately the 3rd Gen 6MT lacks a plug-n-play 2Lo mod like 2nd Gens :_(

    nota bene:
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    taco-tow.jpg
     
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    This should help you out.

    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/2lo-plug-play-harness-discussion.592035/#post-19804423
     
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  17. Sep 28, 2021 at 6:14 AM
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    Like @RushT said above. The 2lo harness is the solution. I have it and use it for what you're talking about all the time.
     
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  18. Oct 13, 2021 at 11:10 AM
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    Towing newbie here. Just got my first trailer and had my first towing experience (approx 250 miles RT, included highway and 6-7% grades up and down). Overall the experience was fine. The engine never seemed stressed out. MPG didn't take a huge hit as I kept it 55-60mph (I know my and my trucks limits....plus no brake controller installed yet and the tires are different brands/psi ratings which sketched me out). I was around 14 mpg.

    The rear is definitely sagging, and feels soooo soft when I lower the trailer on the hitch. I don't like that. And then while towing at lower speeds there was definitely a good deal of bouncing/porpoising. Also don't like that.

    Obviously I need to get a brake controller and new trailer tires asap. And I think I'll go with the Anderson WDH route to aid with the sag and also to provide the necessary safety/stability/comfort I'm looking for as the majority of my towing will occur on winding hilly coastal CA roads and in the Sierras. I understand WDH's may be overkill for a trailer that's only 2400#'s empty, but I think it's probably the right first step in my case....to help with sag and stability in my terrain, where simple sway control bar alone may be problematic.

    If the WDH alone doesn'[t resolve my sagging issues, I'll look into helper springs. Open to suggestions on that approach.


    IMG-5256.jpg
     
  19. Oct 13, 2021 at 11:15 AM
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    @dubschweezy What is the weight of that trailer? I would expect a WDH to completely address the sag
     
  20. Oct 13, 2021 at 11:25 AM
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    Length is 17' and 2400 lbs when empty. Maybe I'll be in the 3200 range when fully loaded.
     

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