General Discussion and BS thread -Safe Haven

LOL! Except I think I would take a Cummins/Allison combo over a Ford Ecoboost.

 

I agree Allison also makes the trasnmission for the Abram tanks

 

TFLTrucks mentioned Toyota owns that. Why isn't it in the Taco? Or have I been blind?

 

Can't understand that logic either or just like I don't know why Toyota isn't using their Hino division for the diesel engine. Instead of sub it out to Cummings. Toyota know something we don't?

BTW back to thread, looking forward to the specs of the drivetrain, etc.... the wait is killing me.

 

The Hino diesels and diesel / electric hybrid are approved for use in the US

http://www.hino.com/trucks/story_1214.php

 

Maybe Toyota doesn't want to obliterate the midsize segment?

Or maybe that's just it, They have 60% of the market, which likely will not grow (Because of brand loyalty to Nissan and Chevy) so their best bet is to retain that 60%. So with small growth to be had, maybe they don't want to spend a lot of R&D on the diesel fitting into the Tacoma.

Now the Tundra seems less appealing and could use an engine upgrade...

@Helmet, I'm also eagerly awaiting specs... I must know!

 

The pic directly of the tailgate and tail lights screams classic Toyota.I want one.

 

I stated "compared to regular car". I am sorry, I understand this Tacoma's fans forum, but a pickup truck like Tacoma does not handle as well as a modern passenger car (especially if it isn't domestic POS catering to 70+ crowd). By far. It's physics. I hope we don't need to argue this one any longer.

Hard to disagree here.

I agree about the manual transmission and 4 cylinder parts but still I don't believe that a truck is the first vehicle one should learn to drive. There may be exceptional circumstances, e.g. one lives in middle of nowhere, on a farm, etc.

 

As I said the human biology may trump what parents know about him, sorry. There is quite a bit of research on the subject, Google is your friend, e.g.:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/health/os-teen-brain-research-20140927-story.html

Myself, I learnt to drive before I could really reach the pedals (I was 9), routinely drove by myself when 15, and got my DL when 17 (legal limit where I come from), and my parents thought I am very responsible. Needless to say, it's a miracle I am alive, pure luck saved me from quite a few very close calls, particularly *after* I already got my DL and got ton of confidence. Drivers with few thousands of miles under their belt are most accident prone.

Sorry for off-topic.

 

I didn't mean to imply that it handled as well as a passenger car, but I just don't see a problem with it. It may just be because trucks are all I've known and I've gotten used to them and when I say it handles just fine, I really mean I haven't found an issue with it. I can't really compare though because I've never driven a car as a DD for an extended amount of time to see all situations.

I'm 20 and my parents still hate the thought of me driving a car for safety reasons. I told them I was looking at getting a cheap secondary for my 160 mile round trip commute and they would have none of it.

And there are just things I think a truck teaches you like how to be aware of your surroundings and how to park well. I also towed a lot when I was 16 so a car wasn't option.

Sorry to steer us further off topic. But at least we're not bitching about the 2016!

 

That's what one of the things I think Toyota had to consider.

Yes I know the stats. I was once young, dumb, and full of cum and felt like I could conquer the world in my teenage years. No matter what vehicle you put them in, it's still a 2k+ lbs hunk of steel driven by a unexperience young driver. It doesn't matter which vehicle they drive. I stand by my statement, it is still the parents call.

True, Another thing, I do like that the factory tonneau cover is a option. I hope it is a folding type and not a non folding type.

 

It depends. When I was 16 my dad let me use his '99 4Runner. That thing rocked back and forth like you wouldn't believe over 50mph and the clutch pedal stuck to the floor every time you pushed it down so you'd have to stick your foot under and lift it back up yourself. It had no traction control for the winter either. If anything it made me extremely careful because I knew that it was easy to lose control of.

I was never irresponsible with vehicles. I know many of my friends that were always careful drivers too. It depends on the kid, not the car.

 

Sounds like a screaming metal death trap.

 

I like it too! And I'm pretty sure it's a hard trifold. But the flip side:
What's so good about that? They're going to charge more than you could go and buy yourself, you might not even want it, and if you take it off you won't get whatever they rated the MPG to be at. The only thing I don't like is that since the air dam and cover will give more MPG, and Toyota is likely to only get as high as 26 HWY with this 3.5 (I doubt they will blow everyone away with 30) that means that this great MPG number will be less attributed to the motor itself and more to the aerodynamics of the truck which some will remove.

However I still like it because it can be financed through the dealer (What's that going to cost? $10 more/month? Sign me up!), is warrantied, and takes away the hassle of getting one yourself.

The "Ram Rebel" (Did Dodge forget they were called Dodge?) has a Dodge emblem in the bed cover. That's cool.

 

They've researched this. I guarantee you that. I heard they were working on diesel engines for their U.S. lineup when the auto industry bailouts happened and they ditched the project. I'll tell you one thing. I am certain that they will bring diesel to their lineup if the Titan/Colorado/Canyon are successful in that configuration. Toyota is a conservative company. They will study and understand what works and do it better to stay on top. Think of the Colorado diesel as a test subject. The Tacoma is a better truck is just about every way, but if the diesel factor is enough to sway people to buy a Colorado over a Tacoma then Toyota will release a diesel to stay on top. It's just what they do. They're never the first, but always the best.

 

I agree with everything in that post. I've been saying the same thing, except I haven't talked or thought much about the diesel aspect. Good point that they're watching Colorado first.

 

Agreed. Mine put me in a 1978 Corolla in 1985. I was mad (started off hating that car, but grew to love it), but it is hard to get busted drag racing in it. Because I'd been such a good boy, I got my grandmother's 79 Olds Toronado when I was in college. I did insane, wonderful things in that car. But it never met a gas station it didn't like.

As soon as I had to pay my own gas and insurance, I switched back to the Corolla for a daily driver and only drove the tank on dates. A valuable lesson was learned. I hated acknowledging my folks were right about that one.

 

I also hated my truck when I first got it. Now I envy Access Cabs. Sad thing is I will likely never own an Access Cab again due to family needs and currently owning a DC.

But I didn't hate it because it was a Tacoma. I hated it because it was a 4cyl and Manual Transmission. Boy was I wrong! I would love to have a 2.7L AC MT right now. I got good at driving manual and began to like it, but I did not know yet how to have fun with it. I miss that truck so much, I had no idea what I was in for when I convinced my parents to trade it for this one (Which I love!) A manual transmission swap would be awesome.

 

You're right about the cost considering the typical cost of a quality aftermarket folding tonneau is around the $500-$800. I hope the cost will be cheaper or at least same price range and not over charge us like they normally do

Also I not use to calling the Ram, the Ram, I'm use to call them Dodge Ram

 

My brother has a BakFlip on his '14 F150 that fits perfect.

Dodge was better off before Fiat got involved and started rebadging Alfa Romeos as Dodge Darts. The truck division went Ram to keep the Fiat stink off. Is it working?