Good First Car??

did my guy just open up a psych 101 book and start listing off terms? i'm sorry i hurt your feelings. good luck to you and your kids

 

She's a unique one. All of the options are factory and it has the appearance of a Mach1 but the car is not a Mach 1 Mustang. Will DM you more pics.... my wife has a few other classic mustangs that will blow your effing mind.

Will send you a DM.

 

ORRRR I simply have experience arguing with people who are manipulative and/or have toxic personalities. I'll accept your ad hominem attack as an admission of "I have no valid argument."

 

I find yer book learnin’ and thinkeratin’ scary and feel threatened

 

I'd go that route if I was sure the driver didn't abuse the car. Truly you can mess up a brand new car in the first hour
of driving. I've seen people buy a brand new car and floor it before it's even warmed up and I'm thinking there's a
piston job in the future. Or they don't change the oil. Or they jump curbs with it. You just don't know.

As far as depreciation, in this environment I outpaced the stock market on my Tacoma LOL....

 

Oh how the world has changed...

 

all of this because i said that teaching your kid the value of a dollar does not have to revolve around what car you get them? calling me "toxic" based on two posts on the internet - clearly you are projecting and i hope you can sort that out. being reactive and indignant are not the characteristics of somebody that has experience arguing anything, btw. don't take things so personally.

"no valid argument"? i stand by my argument that you can get a kid a new car and not somehow magically dissolve their perception of the value of a dollar. there is a lot more that goes into raising a kid, developing their independence, work ethic and their appreciation of hard work. hope you can figure that out.

finally, just because you think YOUR kid does not deserve a new car, does not mean OP's kid doesn't deserve a new car.

 

this site is nuts, i love it

 

Sheesh that will be a nice first car.

 

Hahaha - yea I got my Taco at the start of the pandemic so it was cheap . . .
It is worth a good bit more now than when I bought it.

Same for the BMW - I can sell it for what I paid for it, 10 years ago!

Who says cars aren't an investment

 

Bought my first new Subaru in fall of 1981 and my family is known for their Subaru's. Now, there is the Crosstreks with it's short wheel base (think BroncoII or Jeep) not something I'd get for an inexperienced driver especially in winter.

https://www.subaru.com/vehicles/for...5876&msclkid=90fb0ec51171188c37cd6b8031c8b000

 

Be the dad she hopes you are…by buying her a Tacoma. Lol. Wow.

If her definition of you as a father at this juncture in life is relevant to whether or not you buy her the car she wants, then you have already failed at being a father.

 

Ok my comments about being a father aside, I should weigh in with good first car.

First, anything that they have to earn and work for, they respect more. Even in todays society. If they wreck something that they put their money into, it’s a learning experience seeing your money go poooof.

My first car was a 1971 Chevelle SS 454. It was dirt cheap in 1982. I lived in northern PA. I drove that year round. Learned to hang out the rear in the corners in the summer and learned to hang on and pray in the winter. If only we had blizzaks back then.

The safest car for a first car isn’t the one with the best safety ratings, all wheel drive, all the best gizmo wizardry. It’s the one that your kid is comfortable with. To that end they need to be made uncomfortable while they are learning to drive. Make them face the challenge of a car drifting sideways in the snow. Ask my oldest daughter. Pulled the ebrake on her on a back road in the winter with no warning. Did I catch an earful… sure did. But she knew learned how to regain control of a car. The more you teach them the more they can adapt.

Subaru and Volvo are my pics for the cars that can protect you. 2016, 131 mph on the straight at VIR in a 2012 STI hatchback worked over by Cosworth. No roll cage. Got tapped in the rear by a Vette. Rolled 6 times and once end over end. Crawled out with a broke right index finger one broken rib and a god complex because the vette had to cheat to pass me.

2020. Friend passed out on i40 in northern Texas in a Volvo from diabetic relatives causes. He and his 2 boys walked away after the car left the highway and ended up stopping a good ways from the road on the roof.

Safest car is the car one has been taught to be driven in any condition and the car that structurally can withstand the occurrences. The new car just purchased hasn’t been learned to be driven yet. A drivers license doesn’t equal proficiency in a new car.

 

Wow a new vehicle for A 16 year old! Personally I think it's a bad idea. Not that a Tacoma is a bad first vehicle but not a new one. Get a 2015 or older. Good other first cars are Corolla, civic, rav4 Mazda 3 or any of the Mazda cuvs. I would suggest something 4 or more years old because new drivers make mistakes and it will get dented. I understand worry about safety but nearly every modern day car is vastly safer than the cars built in the 80s that I was able to purchase as a teenager.

Then that brings me to buying them a new car. Sorry if it sounds judging but that's not teaching kids about the value of money and hard work to me. It's definitely not how I was raised. My parents didn't even get new cars when we were growing up. Only spoiled rich kids in school got new vehicles back then. I didn't even get my first brand new vehicle until I was 46 years old.

Back to the car for the daughter I get it you must have the cash to do whatever you want but really the need for a new Tacoma for a new driver? I don't think it's the best idea. Something used would be a better choice until she has driven a year or more.

 

Buy her a used car. Or a hand me down.

 

I own a Tacoma and a Crosstrek. The Subaru is more sure-footed and safer in my opinion.

I have also raised three daughters to grown women, all of whom who are self-sufficient at the ages of 25, 22, and 20. I would counsel against buying a 16-year-old child a new vehicle of any sort.

All of that aside, Jason, I’d get a 2023 Tacoma over a 2024 because it’ll more than likely take a few years to work the bugs out of the new model. Best wishes!

 

Times have changed. My first car was a manual side kick with no front window. That won't fly these days. I have 3 teens 14, 16, and 17. They all like cars and have different car types that they want. I just give them a budget say between 8-12ish. I let them find the cars, and do the research on maintenance, cost of ownership, and timing belt or chain that type of stuff. They narrow it down to a couple then I come in and share my thoughts/experiences, do the backgrounds on the cars and we pick the best one overall together. It has worked flawlessly for the first 2 kids. My oldest daughter, the stubborn one(exactly like me) was set on a certain car, color and interior color, not my first pic but it worked out within budget. She's happy, I'm happy. The 2nd daughter is much more open to different cars and could care less about being even with the first. She wants an older cheaper car, and I happen to love the car that she wants. It's a win win. You got good kids? I'm lucky as hell with my kids, amazing, caring, loving, kind, take care of school work, keep the house clean, they read, my son the 14 year old still comes to say good night. What!!! Some kids deserve new cars. This is what we work for right. You get your kid whatever you want. One of the greatest lessons I've learned is that I'm not my parents, I don't need to carry their stresses, their type of parenting, their fears, their ideas, I have all my own.

And just to be clear giving a kid a new car does not automatically mean they have no idea of money or the value of working hard. That is a single occurrence in a life time of learning/ teaching. Spoiled kids are spoiled kids new cars or not. And, we all spoil our kids occasionally. Just don't do that shit every day. Firm but fair.

 

16 year old girl? Suburban.

 

my birthday is on the 7th day of the month. my parents for whatever reason made a big deal out of my golden birthday when i was turning 7.

so i asked for a car.

they got me a golden matchbox car.

i said that i wanted a real car. they laughed.

i bought my own first car when i was 17. and then 2 weeks later, i learned that discounted budget walmart tires, ancient ABS systems, and rain don't mix.

don't get anything nice for a teenager. get something you won't cry over when it gets wrecked 2 weeks after buying it.

 

So your 16 year old is dictating to you what kind of car/truck daddy is going to buy her???? Really????
If my sons had of tried that shit way back when? I would have said 'Fine. Go get a fucking job and then you can buy whateeeeeever you want.'