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Discussion in 'ToyTec Lifts' started by Bloodhound, Jul 28, 2011.

  1. Jul 28, 2011 at 6:29 PM
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    This is hopefully not a noobish question, however it is one a noob might ask:

    What is the difference between this kit:
    http://www.toyteclifts.com/index.ph...ategory_id=64&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=72

    and this one:

    http://www.toyteclifts.com/index.ph...ategory_id=64&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=72

    ?????

    I am mainly looking to raise the truck and level it out after my rear TSB gets completed and between the 2 kits the nomenclature has me a hair confused. In the second kit, it includes spanner adjustment, is that for leveling, pre-load, or overall ride height adjusting? Which kit would be best served to help eliminate the "Taco Lean" and level the trucks stance out without requiring UCA's or dropping the differential? The truck is mainly a commuter and doesn't get seriously off-roaded, only light trailing and running back and forth across fields (which it does fine with those duties stock, just want some clearance).
     
  2. Jul 28, 2011 at 6:33 PM
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    I think its the spring rate...one uses eibachs and the other uses toytec:notsure:
     
  3. Jul 28, 2011 at 6:34 PM
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  4. Jul 28, 2011 at 6:35 PM
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    one is an adjustable coilover kit. it uses threads to adjust preload.

    the other is billies assembled with eibach spring. not fully adjustable
     
  5. Jul 28, 2011 at 6:38 PM
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    So, the billies is only "somewhat" adjustable, meaning (IIRC) 0-.85, 1.75, and 2.5 and the other is fully adjustable and able to compensate for the lean without using the drivers side spacer? Am I on the right track, or missing something?
     
  6. Jul 28, 2011 at 6:41 PM
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    your right...I didn't click on the larger pic...didn't see that the Bachs weren't the adjutable versions...
     
  7. Jul 28, 2011 at 6:42 PM
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    the silver ones dont have adjustable coils overs...the red do...the silvers are only adjustable uo to .85 (billys)
     
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    OK, so am I under the understanding that the Billies in the first kit are not ride height adjustable? I was under the impression all 5100's were...
     
  9. Jul 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM
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    they are but only up to .85 because their paired up with Eibachs...if those were OEM shocks than they could be up to 2.5
     
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    (scratches head) Strange, I thought all the Bilstein 5100's were adjustable to several ride heights...of course, I am most likely mistaken on this matter.
     
  11. Jul 28, 2011 at 6:49 PM
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    They ARE from 0 -2.5...but with that particular set up only to .85 because of the spring...now if you were using stock shocks you could set them at 0, .85, 1.75 and 2.5
     
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    So, the springs are the limiting factor on the first set-up? I'm still confused by this:
    as stated in the first kit (heads spinning.....reaches for beer)
     
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    Shocks or springs?:crapstorm:
     
  14. Jul 28, 2011 at 6:54 PM
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    the red ones are set at 0 and has a shaft with threads and are infinitely adjustable 0-3". the shocks are themselves have 4 settings but with the threads the contraption does the adjusting not the snap ring.

    the other has the 4 groves. it is set on the first groove (.85") and (1.6")lift coils
     
  15. Jul 28, 2011 at 6:55 PM
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    both shocks are the exact same.
     
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    the one uses a devise that goes on the outside of the shock for lift. the other uses the shock and a spring for lift
     
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    I think he meant "spring". If you run Eibach or 885 coils than you can only set the "C" clip on the 5100 @ 0 or .85 ......but if you use the stock spring you can set it up to 2.5.......basically just more pre-load on the spring....not as great of a ride as the coil is doing more work than the shock. (or at least that's the way I understand it.)
     
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    Could moving the snap ring on the set without the spanner set-up be moved if I used a spring compressor to adjust the height? Or does the Eibach springs limit the ability to adjust? I have read not to use aftermarket springs on the 5100's but I thought I had seen them used with OME 884's, 885's and 886's. With the heavier spring rate will that cause the snap ring to fail?
     
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    Alright guys, thank you, now I have my head around what's what here. Rep given to all for helping me out here.
     
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