had an oh crap moment today.

And you sure in the hell do it in a big rig.

 

Its very common on track cars where the pedals are set up to do it properly AND there is something to be gained. 99.99% of the people who advocate it here on Tacoworld have only read about it and think it's kool. Frankly, in a Tacoma, there really is no reason to do anything other than brake until the the rev range is reached then let compression take over.

Track 101.

 

Welcome to the club...... Slush, tiny bit of gravel, sand, mud.. Conering sometimes even while DRY conditions..... I almost never have my abs on, fuck that population controller.

 

My ABS sounded like a cow on her last leg farting for the last time in the cab , haha best way to describe it ...

 

That isn't the ABS Control that is the VSC ( Vehicle Stability Control ). Big Difference.

Do the ABS Bypass Modification and you can turn off the VSC.

 

Where I live...there isn't any snow or icy condition or I haven't been in that situation, but I did have to brake quickly the other day since traffic took an abrupt stop and I was satisfied with the ABS on my truck. This was dry surface... but still working ABS. Is this the best ABS system...not by long shot and I don't doubt folks claims of it not working.... but seems fine on my truck so far.

Far as the general statement of why TV, washers, etc don't last half the life? It's a matter of economics. Folks don't want to pay for high end systems and companies are greedy. Washing machines with plastic gears. Saying computer control is BS is saying technology advances suck and we should go back to out dated technology. A lot of products don't last these days because of disposable society. They don't care about MTBF (mean time between failures) of parts. It's not about computers failing...it's about cheap manufacturing process and bean counters. Well design systems will last a long time, but you still have to be smart and use equipment to protect your TV for example and have it on UPS system. Brown outs or electrical spikes will damage the equipment.

So with brakes... if the assembly was bad or bad design...yeah it can be a problem, but I wouldn't generalize and say computer control is BS.

I am curious though...and I respect that you have 29 years with no accidents means you're a good driver.... but what situation are you having to brake around a corner? Are you accelerating and doing mid corner braking or are you slowing down? I don't get that you need throttle control if you are slowing down...even if you are using the clutch or brakes to slow down? Only thing I can think of the ABS wanting to straighten out because the ABS is a little stupid and doesn't have sensors to know you are turning and wanting to straighten the car. So is it an icy or wet situation and/or you are too hot into the corner...don't get why the truck wants to go straight... Be cool if you can explain that...just to get more insight into this ABS system or ours.

 

because i could see that both front tires were on dry, salty pavement while rolling forward. A little patch of slush maybe 3 feet wide triggered it.

 

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Honestly, the reason some of us (myself anyway) have been in situations where there is zero time to spare, most accidents are relatively low speed in close spaces but require "knee jerk" reaction to the brakes, ABS in particular kicks in with pressure , takes over, your fucking foot goes to the floor, a dying cow rips a fart (ABS pump) & you methodically roll to an accident, I mean a stop, & gotta say, until you experience this "safety" item fail I'd be inclined to go with the mass's but since I've experienced the "failing" of ABS in several diff. vehicles I have no reservation about condemning all braking/traction control devices & technology, it's not a necessity...

 

Plain and simply...Technology has its place. A toaster has no need for a chip board. My last washer, the "technology" that went bad cost more to replace than a new one with me doing the troubleshoot and replacement. Any energy savings is thrown out the window when these things are taken to the land fill or scrapped. So I take issue with some tech. When it is used and is not needed, and actually is worse on our long term environment.

In all situations with me, I was going into a corner, either up hill or down every time. Not braking at all or hard on the throttle. Just driving at a speed I know the truck can handle. Might be "hot" for some, but I grew up driving in the mountains and know how to corner. I have even turned around and went back through a corner to replicate the situation with no joy.

Every time the ABS kicked in during a corner I felt the pulsing which is normal. Throttle control was taken away,(i.e. Gas pedal did not work) which is normal. And the truck wanted to drive straight sending me into the opposing lane of traffic. Which is normal for ABS. What is not normal, is for ABS to kick in during my particular situation with zero traction loss.

But mine does function normal during a snow covered road hard brake. I retested this last weekend. So that is why I said ABS on THIS truck is bullshit. Not ABS in general.

After this reply was made.....What exactly does VSC do?

 

Thanks for the info and exactly my plan. What exactly is VSC and why does the truck break on its own? Which sure feels like the ABS during a no traction situation.

Could this be the reason why the service manager mentioned a yaw sensor? Which I was told that checked fine but they did reset to verify.

Found a good explanation for it. This is definitely what I'm experiencing and explains how ABS is used during. There are many roads around here and through the pass that do not have an even flow through them. So it "senses" that I'm now turning harder and it takes over. In the pic above, when I'm on the middle line, it sends me towards the top line. That is what I have an issue with.

 

i would be very hesitant to do this. If you tampered with "safety" features in the truck and got in an accident, and insurance finds out, you could be in deep shit.

 

As Jimmyh said...I think you are confusing VSC (vehicle stability control) to ABS(anti lock brake system). ABS is to stop the wheels from locking up by pulsating the brakes in an abrupt stopping or loss of traction scenario. The throttle control and how the vehicle wants to move a certain way is the function of the VSC. From what you are describing, you like to drive your truck like a race car at the track. Nothing wrong with that other than not being safe for other drivers on the road...should be for the track than public roads. But if you are normally driving and you are hot into the corners often...of course the VSC and ABS will not behave the way you want it. That's the reason why you disable VSC and ABS for those situation at the track when you want total control of the vehicle around the track.

If you want to have a spirited run...get the correct vehicle that was designed for that intended purpose...corvette or another sportscar where the "tech" was designed for that intended purpose. The vette has several modes for certain driving application, while the Tacoma has 2 modes...disabled VSC/ABS or On and it's not designed for these spirited runs with VSC/ABS on. This is user error.


Lastly, the tech wasn't the issue with the washer. It wasn't designed well or manufactured well for companies to make more money selling things to break down instead of lasting a lifetime. If they sold washing machines that last 50 years plus, they wouldn't stay in business these days...that's why sewing machines and washing machines have plastic gears and cheaper electronics because of component selection or bad manufacturing or bad design not to handle the voltage spikes or brown out and die. It's all to save money for more profit. You are confused with modern economics versus technology. The only issues with technology is for some...it's too much information to learn to figure out and fix...it's easier for the user to say screw it and buy something else.

 

Yup. That's Toyota's fancy name for the internal gyro the truck has.

 

Yes. I did figure that out and researched about VSC.

No. I don't drive like I'm on the track. I drive within reason and to some it might be "hot". The truck is capable of doing 35 in a 25 corner. Even my lifted Cummings could take the corners better than some drive a Camry over the pass. From my research today, it is from local road design. Necessary design from the terrain. Thanks for your input. I was stationed in SoCal so it's safe to say where you drive is nothing like what it is here.

cheaper electronics because of component selection or bad manufacturing or bad design not to handle the voltage spikes or brown out and die. It's all to save money for more profit.........Exactly. Technology has its place. Too much is DESIGNED to fail.

 

Really ?? Guess I better go out & tell my 1972 Maytag washer that it's dead & no longer in business...
(which still works /cycles flawlessly)

 

Yes exactly that. You can turn off the VSC by pressing the VSC OFF Switch for 3-5 seconds with the vehicle at a standstill. Of course you then have to do this every time you start the truck....

 

Those old washing machines will last for several decades...the ones you have. I have a friend of friend that service and sells them to commercial application as well...they all want to old machines because they were built to last. I think you missed the point I said before the a lot of corporations these days build things not to last as long so they can make more profit with repeat customers. Those older washing machines will go for decades. It's not just washing machines...look at craftsman tools...once made in the USA...now most of it is made in China...it's about greed...not technology that things break.

Back to topic at hand is the ABS... seems to be ridgeline001 was confused about the ABS and VSC... just wanted to clear that up for him.

 

Yep. Got it cleared up. Thanks again for your input.

 

i guess malfunctions is a good thing when it comes to abs

 

What's the 'Lol" part? Are you experienced in personal liability law? I am curious what you can share with regard to this topic.