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Halogen fog light bulb 2020

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by tacos4u, Jan 7, 2023.

  1. Jan 8, 2023 at 8:29 AM
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    Corrected, thanks. I was debating but went with my poor memory lol.
     
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  2. Jan 8, 2023 at 8:39 AM
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    The H11 fog availability is a little confusing, but they were discontinued for 2020+.

    16-19 TRD non-Canadian trucks (except Pro) - H11 fog
    16-19 TRD Canadian trucks (except Pro) - H16 fog
    16-current TRD Pro - Rigid LED fog
    16-19 non-TRD trucks - H16 fogs
    All 2020+ trucks (except Pro) - H16 fogs
    Tucks with the OEM LED lighting package - OEM LED fogs

    The OEM LED fogs are certainly best bang for the buck so to speak. Their 6000k color temp isn’t great for fog though. And if you have halogen headlights 6000k color in the foreground and 3200k halogen in the distance is going to appear distracting. In that case I’d opt for the Diode Dynamics Elites in selective yellow, which are more expensive than the OEM units (a little under $200) but the yellow color is better in poor weather and does not appear out of place with halogen headlights.
     
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  3. Jan 8, 2023 at 8:41 AM
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    Are the LED OEM dogs wide angle? I really like how the H11 wide angle fog lights illuminate past the edges of the lane in poor nighttime conditions.

    @crashnburn80 have you done testing that would allow a comparison of the OEM LED fogs to the H11 wide angle fogs with Tungsram Platinum or 130+ bulbs? Though I don’t remember your tests measuring beam pattern width for fogs.
    6000k for the LEDs is a show stopper for me.
     
  4. Jan 8, 2023 at 8:53 AM
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    @davidstacoma they seem to be quite wide to me with a sharp cut off.
     
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  5. Jan 8, 2023 at 9:07 AM
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    Agreed on having wide fogs. Here is an output table published by Diode Dynamics:
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    The Toyota halogen fogs in this table are the wide angle units. The Toyota OEM LED fogs on the Tacoma are the Toyota Projector LEDs, the other Toyota units are reflector LEDs found on other models.

    You can see the Toyota projector LED is slightly wider than the halogen fogs, but the pattern is shorter and output intensity is lower. The H16 fogs are not shown on this table, the OEM LEDs would be an upgrade over the H16s. You can see the Elite selective yellow are a pretty good upgrade over either, though slightly narrower beam pattern.

    I have not run measured tests with the Tungsram bulbs unfortunately and I no longer have the H11 fogs to do so. You can see in the table though the H11 fogs performance is quite good, and a bulb upgrade will only make it better. I’d use the Platinums over the +130s, the Platinums don’t have the blue coating on the back of the bulb so you won’t have the filtration output losses and get more output delivered to the roadway.
     
  6. Jan 8, 2023 at 9:33 AM
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    Maybe the aftermarket bulbs are labeled wrong says h11/h16 bulb the oem bulb was a h16 but I thought I was putting a h11 bulb in.
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  7. Jan 8, 2023 at 9:38 AM
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    Definitely do not put that garbage glare monster LED in there. Performance will be terrible and you will have crazy glare which is a hazard to other drivers and defeats the entire purpose of a fog light. If you want LED you need to swap to an assembly designed for LED to do it correctly, like the LED assemblies mentioned earlier.

    H16 and H11 use the same base plug, aftermarket LED manufactures will design LEDs to fit as many bulb types as possible with one product so they don’t need to make a bunch of different versions for the different bulb types, hence it is designed to fit multiple and labeled as an H11 but sold for H16 and H11, likely H9 too.
     
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    Very nice comparison information, thanks CB.
    I prefer the 3000-3200K or selective yellow for better fog penetration and visibility in rain (for my aging eyes at least). The wide angle versions are helpful for making right angle turns and seeing the lane/ditch margins in poor visibility conditions as well.
     
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    @tacos4u as was said, please don't put that trash bulb in. The filament being the same size and in the same location is paramount in getting a focused output from your lights and as you can see that meets neither criteria.
     
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    I’m just putting the factory bulbs back in and call it a day. Thanks guys
     
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    I feel your pain... I just upgraded to OEM LED headlights. Now I really see how poor the fog lights are. Being a Canadian truck I have H16. Now I have to decide what route to take to upgrade.

    @crashnburn80 since you have compiled such an incredible list of fog lamps, what would you recommend. I live in the wonderful Pacific North Wet Coast with quite the variety of weather and am a person that leave the fogs on regularly. Since you are not too far south of me, what would you run?
     
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    In the PNW with snow, I’d recommend the SS3 Max in selective yellow. That’s what I ran on my 2nd Gen and Gladiator. Only the Max, Pros and Morimoto HXBs run hot enough for snow melting. The Pros have excessive light spill/glare and lower output than the Max, and the HXBs have a much narrower pattern area than the Max. If not concerned about snow, I’d consider the Diode Dynamics Elites in selective yellow, lower output than max but still a great high performance fog with excellent cut offs and a good pattern gradient with an OEM appearance.
     
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    Thank you :hattip:. Those were the ones I was think might be best. Once the wife has forgotten about the head light purchase, I will accidentally order up a set. Then when she notices them on the truck, I will tell her I always had those :D:D:D
     
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    Do those Tungsram Platinum or 130+ bulbs run hot enough to melt snow in the fog light position?
     
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    Lol. I will note the Maxes are extremely powerful and should not be used when unnecessary (like all fogs) as high foreground light reduces distance vision at night. If you are more likely to run the fogs when not needed, the Elites would be a better choice. But it is best to just use the lights properly.

    Definitely. Halogens bulbs produce significant IR, snow melting isn’t an issue. LEDs produce heat on the driver at the back of the lamp, so getting heat to the front lens to melt snow is a challenge, most don’t got hot enough. Since the halogen bulb is on the front of the lamp and produces significant heat, it isn’t an issue.
     
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    Im trying a h16 Osram 55 watt halogen bulb in there now. Guess the oem bulb was a 19 watt.
     
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    There are no H16 Osram 55w bulbs. H16s are 19w.
     
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    OP, can't do much with the stock halogen fog housings. Output is glarey and they're ugly. You shouldn't put led or hid in a reflector housing, so whatever long life bulb you want should be fine. Silverstars burn out super quick but anything from Phillips/Osram should last a while.

    I swapped my tC out with pnp H11 3.0" projector fogs that would work on the Tacomas as well and they're fantastic - better output with a super sharp cutoff and much better appearance on the vehicle. Absolute pain to adjust but worth it at the end of the day. Running them with 35w HID's that match the low beams.

    For the Taco I swapped in the new DD Elites and they're incredible. Best LED's I've seen with an OEM-like appearance on the truck. Output is similar to having HID fogs.

    The DD Elites absolutely destroy the OEM fogs.

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    Not sure but I put part #
    64211L+ Osram in today. Seem to work pretty good. 55 watt
     
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    These are H11.
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