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Harris Eaton Elocker 2nd gen

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by tpotnoc, Mar 6, 2017.

  1. Mar 6, 2017 at 8:10 PM
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    tpotnoc

    tpotnoc [OP] Sit on my face

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    What do you mean "that doesn't require an arb" ?
     
  3. Mar 6, 2017 at 8:11 PM
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    Costs WAY more than an arb and is inferior in my opinion
     
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  4. Mar 6, 2017 at 8:21 PM
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    A selectable locker for the 8.4" that isn't an ARB air locker.
    How do you figure it to be inferior? Two solid driveline manufacturers joining to provide us with an electric locker that will probably stand up to an ARB without the hassle of airlines, compressor failure, o-ring failire, and so forth. Can't say for sure because I havent run either. Have you tested both?

    Also, after $1000 ARB and a $250+ compressor and an optional tank, how much more expensive is this Harrop REALLY?:thumbsup:
     
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  5. Mar 6, 2017 at 8:41 PM
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    I had an arb and I LOVED it...under 1k installed. I have the factory e locker now and it sucks...I'm sure the Harrop is much better than the factory though lol
     
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    costs way more???...... ARB (1000) + arb compressor (base model is 300 next step is 500).... and your looking at nearly the same price. Oh any you gotta deal with possible leaky air lines.... freezing air lines.... etc.... (not saying this happens if done properly.... but its possible and there are many stories of this happening)

    There is a reason why OEM lockers are electric.

    I have never had a single issue with my factory locker. Hell my dads 2004 taco with 240k miles always clicked right in as well.
     
  7. Mar 6, 2017 at 9:00 PM
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    lol, all things i have yet to have a issue with in 16 years of wheeling with an ARB lol
    the plus part is you get a air compressor that you can use to fill tires.

    with a elocker you have a to deal with possible faulty electrical connectors, wires getting knocked out, internal motors dying, end or world happening.

    just like all things, do it right and you wont have issues.
    arb has a long proven track record. this new one doesn't (yet) sure its great.
     
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    i completely agree, ARB's are proven and 99.99% of the time work flawless. It is nice to see another option.

    Also there is no internal motor. Its an electromagnet like the stock elocker in the new axle of the 3rd gen TRD Or's.
     
  9. Mar 6, 2017 at 9:19 PM
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    You don't need a tank for air lockers or filling tires. Only if you want to run tools.
     
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    I love how everyone is just diehard ARB. Anything else is just junk!
     
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    How does it suck?
    You push a button...it clicks in:notsure:
     
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    All things just as likely (if not more so) to happen with the air compressor...
     
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    Mine won't click in until you turn slightly...know many others who have same issue and some even worse
     
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    As somebody who has owned an chrysler e locker and fixed a couple Arb air lockers that failed for broken copper lines and leaky seals in basicly no miles I am very interested in the Harrop locker.

    Arb lockers are like roof top tents, if you are not on the bandwagon all the hipsters shit all over ya.
     
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    Boy it's a good thing that seals don't ever fail, hoses get nicked, connectors come apart etc etc. Seems pretty equal electric to ARB in the connectors wiring hoses actuator debate. Is it really that hard to see their similarities?

    Fanboys of ARB say they are the only option. All of the problems happen only to other lockers. ARB has a good product with a good track record. But others have been around a long time as well. My personal favorite is the OX which isn't available for the Tacoma. Cable operated (air actuator is an option) and if the cable breaks there is a way to lock it manually with just a bolt. If your seals in an ARB fail on the trail you are screwed.

    The biggest complaints of the electric lockers on the market are the small parts involved which can break when extreme loads from larger tires etc cause it to gernade. Never saw one fail personally but then again I have seen a GM 14 bolt exit the rear of a diff cover. A diff that has a legendary record in heavy duty big tire applications. So even the toughest diffs / lockers will fail if abused enough.
     
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    Glad to everyone participating. Unfortunately this turned into a "which ones better" thread. Deeelete
     
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    never said that, its nice to have another selectable locker on the market.
    my point was that everything can have issues. install it correct and you should be fine, with either the elocker or air locker
    if you are having issues with broken copper lines, you are doing something wrong.
    again, saying all things have issues lol. its nice to have another option, but to say the ARB sucks is just stupid. its a proven great locker. install it like a dolt and you will have issues. install it correctly it will last years and years.
     
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    No the copper line was not annealed correctly from the factory. It cracked right at the solder joint. It was an easy fix, just a dumb problem.
     
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    It seems like a few people are a little confused regarding lockers. Eaton OWNS and produces the Detroit locker brand in addition to the e locker and Detroit trutrac.

    We are talking one of the longest most reliable manufacturers in the locker business. Who questions the reliability of a Detroit locker? ARB is the young gun so to speak in comparison and no one questions their reputation. ARB is not without its issues nor are any of the rest. Can the e locker fail? Sure it can and like I mentioned above their one downfall is the small parts inside. So in extreme situations with big tires and added hp it may be more susceptible to catastrophic failure. But for small lifts and stock motors I would say they are just as reliable as anything out there. They could even be the stock e locker in our trucks anyway but I am only guessing on that one.

    So to claim the ARB only fails if installed incorrectly is BS. They have seals that are known IN SOME CASES to fail with almost no miles on them. Others are problem free for what seems like forever. No matter the selectable locker you choose they all have weaknesses.

    I have one question for the ARB fanboys: Why do no OEMs go ARB or airlocker yet every stock locker seems to be an e locker (type)? Easy to install and integrate into a stock truck and be invisible until needed. Wiring is a non issue over air lines long term unless you snag them which is equal for both types.
     
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    I'll throw my two cents into the cesspool of comments since I literally just made this decision on lockers...

    The Eaton/Harrop Elocker is an outstanding unit. There simply aren't enough people using them yet to accurately gauge it's longevity (it officially came out this January I believe) but it should be every bit as reliable as the ARB unit. The design is great and the electronic engagement certainly simplifies things. However, they are about $400 more expensive than the ARB units. This is a mistake in my opinion. Here is my decision workflow on how I decided which to go with...

    Going rear locker only? Get the Eaton/Harrop Elocker. Cheaper total cost of ownership, simpler install, and will perform just as good.
    Doing front AND rear lockers? Get the ARB setup. The compressor is a higher cost of entry but it actually ends up cheaper in the long run when you factor in that you're saving $600 total on the ARB diffs vs the Harrop Elockers. Plus, you'll get the benefits of having an onboard air system to pump up your tires after wheeling.

    Even with the above logic, I was still stuck on what to do. The 2 locker system was quite expensive so I wasn't sure if I'd just get the rear or do both the front and rear. For my application, there was no additional labor to do the front locker too since I was regearing at the same time. They'd already have the diff out for the regear so the price difference was only the additional cost of the diff. That being said, I was still on the fence. However, right now ARB is running a promotion for a free air compressor with the purchase of an ARB locker. If you buy two lockers you even get the larger compressor. In total, it was only about 20% more (total cost of ownership) for the front and rear ARB setup vs the rear Elocker only setup. That was enough to push me to go ARB.
     

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