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Hiss/Static out of my new speakers

Discussion in 'Audio & Video' started by futonpimp, Nov 28, 2009.

  1. Nov 28, 2009 at 11:24 PM
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    Hi Everyone,

    Hopefully this is a quick fix..but basically i hooked up a 4 channel amp and a 1 channel..(for my sub). All 4 speakers are wired into the 4 channel which includes a pair of coaxials in the extra cab part..and seperates/tweeters in the doors in the front...with a crossover. Doesn't seem to effect the sound quality at all but its kind of annoying at low volume as it seems to sometimes overtake the speaker sound.


    Any advice is greatly appreciated.
     
  2. Nov 29, 2009 at 11:23 AM
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    It sounds like you have your gains way too high. What numerical value does your headunit go up to? What numerical value is what you'd consider your normal listening number?
     
  3. Nov 29, 2009 at 11:24 AM
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    Q's:

    What kind of headunit
    What kind/size of amp and how is it hooked up (RCA's or Highlevel)
    What speakers, what impedance
    On all sources or just one
     
  4. Nov 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM
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    Very good question. I know that some LOC's have a weird level adjustment thing on them that can be detrimental to the SQ.
     
  5. Nov 29, 2009 at 1:15 PM
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    Headunit - Kenwood X993
    Amp - 700 watts 4 channel JBL via RCA's
    Speakers - 4 ohm, impedance not sure right this second
    All sources do it..
     
  6. Nov 29, 2009 at 1:18 PM
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    I'll have to get back to you on that one...
     
  7. Nov 29, 2009 at 1:32 PM
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    What model JBL?
     
  8. Nov 29, 2009 at 4:05 PM
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  9. Nov 29, 2009 at 4:44 PM
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    Gain is controlled at the head unit or amp ? or both?
     
  10. Nov 29, 2009 at 4:54 PM
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    The gain is on the side of the amp. There should be a gain for your front channels and also one for your rear channels as well. They are the knobs that say "Input Level" on the side in this pic.

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  11. Nov 29, 2009 at 5:02 PM
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    Ok, here is what I would do..

    1. turn the gains on the amps (gain is only in the amps, some headunits now offer "level adjustment" type of thing for adjusting levels between sources - set these to 0 for now - then adjust after to avoid dramatic volume changes when going from source to source). To turn the gain down.. turn it all the way left.

    2. find a really well recorded, clean sounding (no distortion/overloading recorded right into the song) song/songs on cd (originals are best) if not - on your ipod - Madonna, MJ, Jazz etc usually are safe if your not sure

    2.5 - turn off loudness on your deck, set EQ's etc to 0 or Flat

    3. If you can find the clipping level of your headunit - turn it up to that - if not go to about 3/4 or 7/8s of the volume while playing those discs - if you want to know about clipping as again later and if I have time I will explain

    4. now on your speaker amp - slowly turn the gain up until you either - get too loud to listen to, or until you start to hear the music distorting slightly - usually you will hear the change in how guitars, cymbals and female vocals - the start to sound brittle or compressed

    5. now back off the gain a hair.

    6. do the same for the subs - using clean sounding bass - it's easy to hear when bass distorts - use a song with a consistant bass track makes it easier.

    7. ok, so now you have a little extra on the volume on the deck for songs/discs that are recorded lower or when you really want that extra bit to go to "11" :)

    That is a quick summary of how to set gains.. a bit rushed but you get the idea.

    Avoid using a ton of bass boost etc on the headunit now..

    Let us know how that goes.. should solve the ish and get things sounding better.


    Oh one note.. in a perfect world you would leave the gains/system at a point where it would not clip, but most of us don't have the power for that (to get it "loud") and for alot of people a system doesn't sound "loud enough" unless they can hear distortion.

    A perfect system would be a headunit that does not clip at all, and amps set to just clip or not clip at all.
     
  12. Nov 29, 2009 at 5:49 PM
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    brought my laptop out there..did a basic quick run through of what you said..and bam.. that solved the issue. The hiss is virtually gone. I swear i checked that yesterday but eh whatever.


    Thanks very much for the help everyone. I'm good to go now!
     
  13. Nov 29, 2009 at 6:00 PM
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    Good to hear it is sounding good! Enjoy
     
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    You link showed a Single voice coil sub and a mono amp.. so just positive on sub to Positive Speaker terminal on amp, and neg on sub to neg speaker output on the amp. If you sub is a Dual Voice Coil, I would need to verify the impedence of each coil, but they are usually 4 ohm each coil, just just hook all the pos up and the neg up to get to a 2 ohm load.. which the amp you should is stable to from the info there.

    Now if your sub is a single VC (which your link showed) it's a 4 ohm sub - that can handle 400W RMS.. the amp you showed is rated to do 425 RMS.. so it is a nice match.

    Should be no problems if you don't overgain the system, or over boost it.. or just plain overdrive it. If you are.. put in a bigger or more subs and more power :)
     
  16. Nov 29, 2009 at 6:14 PM
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    Oh, and find a good local stereo shop to get your gear from.. they can make sure you have the right stuff and it's set up right. Avoid issues like this in the future :)
     
  17. Nov 29, 2009 at 6:16 PM
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    awesome info!

    Yeah I was going to take it over to a local shop..but wanted to learn a bit on my own.
     
  18. Nov 29, 2009 at 6:28 PM
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  19. Nov 29, 2009 at 6:33 PM
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    Good news.. you now bump up in power from the amp - I think it's about 700 if I remember.. :)

    So now.. go from the pos speaker out on the amp to both + terminals on the sub. and from the neg speaker out to both - terminals on the sub (this is called parallel wiring) you dont need to run 2 wires on each run, just 1 to the first term on the sub then jump from the 1st to the second.

    Basically you end up showing a 2 ohm load to the amp..

    Also, if you want to learn about car audio.. read this whole site. http://www.bcae1.com/

    It's a great starting point for beginners.
     
  20. Nov 29, 2009 at 6:35 PM
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    Oh perfect! I will test out that wiring and see how things go.

    thanks very much for all your help Tony!.... and everyone else.
     
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