Home Defense: 9mm Semi-auto or 7.62x39mm AK-47?

OP's options where 9mm or AK. I don't see shotgun up there...

I voted 9mm

 

x3!

but has anyone every shot a wad of birdshot at an abandoned car door, close range? it is like a fistfull of lead. tight, and hard hitting. inside a home it would be devastating. outside, not so much.

 

Taurus Judge...

This is how to stop someone... And wake up your entire block at the same time.

 

I voted 9 by the way. Probably not a good idea to risk killing your neighbors neighbor.

 

^ that is awsome

 

AK if you live on a 10,000 acre ranch with mountains bordering all sides.
9mm will terminate your target, providing you hit it.
AK will terminate your target, and all the rest of the targets behind it.
Your kids, wife, neighbors, family dog, etc, etc.
Unless Concrete or Steel interfere.
Each has it purpose

"Bullet Placement"

CC

ps: Didn't read the thread. I assume I've repeated most of the posts.

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Regular 7.62x39mm isn't going to kill your neighbor. It may penetrate a cinderblock wall if shot squarely, by then it has lost too much energy to do much else.

There are numerous recorded cases where it took 7-8 rounds of 9mm to stop an attacker. Consider a large-frame intruder with a heavy jacket, maybe on drugs. How long does it take for an intruder to cross the length of your living room? If he's armed with a crowbar?

 

i use an alarm system. have sign at street, at side door, front door, and stickers on all the first floor windows. i have guns also, but i think the alarm is all i need.

 

I am a fan of the Judge.
I have 3 of them. I finally got the SS that shoots the 3" 410 Mags.

 

The funny thing is, you're agreeing with me. I mean, 00 is better than #4 buck for stopping power. Absolutely. But as my first post said, #4 is COMPROMISE between stopping power, and less likely to overpenetrate.

Yeah, know where your walls are, again we agree. But planning not to shoot at a particular wall is poor planning. I'd rather have the idea that the wall seperating me from my kid WILL be hit, and plan accordingly. Not cuz I can't shoot straight, but rather b/c adrenaline, poor lighting, target movement, etc will pretty much ensure that not every round downrange will hit a BG, and stop IN the BG (remember that word, OVERpenetrate?) I think you're focusing on shooting a wall point blank, whereas I'm talking about hitting your target, the bullet passing through, and then hitting the wall.

Anyway, FWIW, I've seen probably 40+ folks shot with shotguns. None died. Those that did stayed on scene, not came to the hospital, so I can't comment on the rounds used.

 

I'm guessing that the 9mm handgun was shooting a FMJ bullet. FMJ bullets do not expand and as such, often times punch right through their intended target. Any decent JHP or frangible bullet will fix that.

FWIW, the 9 vs. 40 vs. 45 debate is a circle jerk. There are differences between how much ass each round brings to the table, but in the real world the differences are pretty much nonexistent. General rule of thumb with a handgun: 1) Shot placement is key. 2) Anyone worth shooting once is worth shooting a dozen times.


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OP: A good 12 gauge, pump action shotgun with a light, Modified choke and 00 buckshot would be an ideal set up. It's a show stopper. The AK is an awesome weapon, but poorly suited for your needs. Now, if you need one gun to do it all - as in a gun that you plan to carry with you and then keep on the nightstand - find yourself a good pistol. All of the major manufacturers are turning out good stuff these days.

Oh, and "racking the slide" to scare away the bad guy is retarded and a good way to get Sean Taylored. I would immediately distrust anyone who recommended it. It can serve no purpose but to give away your biggest advantage: it lets the bad guy know exactly where you are (kinda like laser sights).

 

Dude. Really? I mean they are fun little guns to play around with at the range, but for self-defense? What's the point?

 

I'm really NOT agreeing with you, at all. I'm saying #4 will still penetrate drywall and NOT do the job.

And if you shoot a wall with your kid behind with with #4 buck, it will STILL go through. Try it or go look at box o truth where #4 BIRDSHOT goes through 2-3 sheets of sheetrock. How far will buck go then, buddy?

Lastly, of course I'm talking about missing and hitting a wall. You're confusing your own arguments:

First, you can't avoid walls with your kids behind them in the middle of the night because you're confused and tired with adrenaline going. Then, the only way your #4 buck will hit that wall is if it hits your target and passes through?

Which is it?

Lastly, ever shot a... buck with 00 buck? Doesn't do a whole lot of penetration once it encounters a human target, does it?

Exactly.

 

no..harsh language. cuss alittle bit..really get "dangerous"..hahhah

tell him to leave!! NOW!

 

I think the Judge is an awsome little defense piece.
http://www.winchester.com/Products/New-Products/Pages/pdx1-410.aspx
This is your best option for defense.
3 slugs plus shot X 6 as fast as you can pull the trigger?
Like having 3 45acp rounds plus shot going off with each trigger pull.