How do we feel? Fox coilover package with TC UCA's

What business would you do with me anyway?

 

Well I was doing business with your mom a weekly basis but I am not going to anymore... Guilty by association!!!





LMAO J/K

 

OK, glad we are all being mature here ^^^. Im not posting to bash on anyone on here and this is only my opinion so take it or leave it. For starters i have never done business with DSM, however from everything i have read they are awesome people to deal with and have great customer service. Now that being said i have seen some of the custom valving they have produced and it is better then the off the shelf valving that is supplied by others, no doubt. However i have seen what a set of the same coilovers can do on the same truck, with the same driver, under the same conditions with a valving profile done by someone else preform better hands down. I am not saying that the valving supplied by DSM was off or wasn't right, however it was definitely improved upon. For the average person the combination of customer service, good deals and the option for better valving from DSM is extremely hard to beat and most likely you will never need more. However keep in mind there are other people out there that can come up with a valving profile that may work better for your application. Again this is just my opinion on the subject so take it for what you want.

 

Good evening everyone....
This is Sonny,...Marco usually takes care of all of this forum stuff..
First of all...Absolutely everyone is entitled to there own opinion and
that's why we live where we live in the good old US of A..
Second: TW member's I appreciate all of you coming to our defense....
Its means a lot to all of us at DSM...
3rd: I have never claimed to be some valving genus by any means and to be totally honest with you most of the time we do not get very much feed back and we never know which way to go...Example: We just did a KOH rig for a friend of mine and he must have talked to 10 different people before he came to me and said I want this valving and I chime in with are you sure..His response yeah, my buddy said...And after re-valving the shocks 4 times and making some other changes, we are right back were we had suggested to start with in the beginning.Everyone wants something different and I will be the first person to say I am no where near perfect at setting up the valving on a car that most of the time I never see.
I have a base point to start from and that is why we offer to re-valve the shocks as many times as you ask us to, whether the customer ships them to us (Customer Pays Shipping) or runs them by the shop...
All we care about is the customer is happy....
Long story short...We do the best we can and that's all we can do and
try and keep everyone happy....
Someone posted a picture of a Jeep Speed that we have been trying different valving combo's with and it was noted that rear was way to soft...Just firmed up the valving today in the shocks just like we said we would...I will make sure in the future not to post any vid's until we are done..
Have a good night and again Thank you to all of the TW members out there...
Sonny

 

second and third this one everything procomp besides my wheels is coming off of my truck as soon as i can afford to they make and sell shity designed and engineered lift kits.

 

well wouldjya look at that? icon has taken the lead in the polls.

 

Marco/Sonny, Again I wasn't trying to pick a fight, or attack DSM in any way, just merely throwing my opinion out there. However a lot of it, like you said falls back on the end user. If they don't give you proper feedback it makes your job extremely difficult and you can only get it so close. I have been fortunate enough to have had a fully tuned king setup on my full size dodge 2500. It's one thing to have some cool looking king 2.5's under the truck but it's another having the valving dialed in on them and being able feel and see the difference. A lot of people don't seem to realize that just the slightest 1/4 turn adjustment on a set of bypasses, or just one shim in a valve stack can make all the difference in the world when it comes to valving. Again, this falls back on the end user not taking this into account and just leaving it as is. We are talking about a 2.5" bodied shock under a truck that doesn't weigh very much... it should haul ass with the valving potential, which can only get so good with minimal customer feedback. It doesn't help you guys when someone orders custom valved shocks, supplying no feedback on how to improve upon them, then go around telling people that they were custom valved by DSM when the truck isn't doing what it should be doing for the amount of shock under it. Again, end user just not knowing any better. Based on everyone i have talked to, who have delt with buying parts through DSM, i have never once heard a complaint about you guys, and that truly says a lot for your customer service. I think people should take advantage of your customer support and give you guys some feedback and let you play with the valving a little more because you guys sell awesome products and have a ton of people here and elsewhere who could give constructive feedback.

 

I have never claimed to be mature nor do I think anything said on these forums should be taken to heart. Hence the "Your moms service" joke. The joy of the internet is that you can turn your computer off and go to a differant site if you dont like the banter.


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Not having dealt with vehicle suspension but having a long history of screwing up my roadracing motorcycle's suspension I can 100% agree with Marco and Sonny in saying that most of the time when it comes to suspension the customer is not always right, in fact they are usually flat out wrong in what they want you to do.

People like DSM have a history of tuning suspension for our (and other vehicles) and generally know a good point to start with once you tell them what your looking for and how you plan on using it. The other side of being a good suspension tuner is being a great interpreter because they have to take the nonsense garbage told to them by the customer and try to decode it into what the customer actually wants the vehicle to do. I am sure DSM will valve it any way you want but in reality it would probably be wise to listen to them to start with and go from there.

I made the mistake of not listening to my suspension tuner and tried to force the bike to change into something it couldnt and i paid the price to the racing gods

I for one am very happy with my products from DSM and hope to get them some feedback on my suspension set up here soon.

 

finally going to make it happen. Icon, after much consideration, has won me over. End of deployment is in sight.

Final lift set up:

Icon extended travel c/o front
Icon 2" rear resis
wheelers 2" AAL
T/C uca's
front and rear brake lines
diff drop kit
carrier bearing drop kit

 

Just curious as why everyone gets extended brake lines? Just bend the bracket a little

 

I would really consider doing a full leaf pack. I had an aal ( toytec ) and when I switched over to the Dakar/ leaf set it was night and day. I found that even if your front suspension is much smoother ( coilover setup ) it wont feel like it because when that bump/dip hits your rear wheels that stiff aal setup will make feel hard. In other terms your suspension will only feel as smooth as BOTH your front and rear is done up.

 

lol, are you serious?? That fox set up blows pro-comp set up out of the water.

 

I have considered it lots, and have decided that i will eventually do the full leaf. Right now its just not in the budget to pony up that much more.

 

It's not like ext brake line are expensive...

 

Pair of channel locks and 3 min under the truck is free

 

is that all it actually is? cause i aint buying some if i can really just bend the brackets

 

Finally made the purchase. Spent a little bit more than i had originally planned on haha. I got:

Icon extended travel coilovers
Icon Rear resi 2" Shocks
alcan leaf springs
TC uca's
rear diff drop
steel brake lines all around
carrier bearing drop


I am excited to get this on the taco! Any thoughts?

 

Sick man, you're set! Hopefully you wont need the carrier bearing drop but i'd wait to see if it's even needed. Also, the front diff drop is useless on the 2nd gen's. With the Icons your CV's will be fine!

 

That's all I did to mine. Works fine... I have no swaybar up front either