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How does 4x4 work?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by tacoholic, Apr 9, 2009.

  1. Apr 9, 2009 at 2:44 PM
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    Because I'm like partially stupid and never driven a 4x4, how exactly does 4x4 work.
    Like I was told by a salesman (and I never believed this cause I'm not that stupid) when I was test driving a Taco that in 4x4 it changes the truck from FWD to RWD. :rofl:
    Is there like a certain speed to engage it?
    Can you drive around like any speed with it on?
    Basic rules and such are more than welcome....I haven't ever driven a 4x4 and don't know much about them. So inform me please! Thanks!
     
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    Yeah no. Engage it below 80km/h. You can drive at any speed with 4hi. 4low you shouldn't exceed 30mph with it. Or is it 30km/h. Anywho, 30 somethings.

    Don't use it on dry or packed ground.
     
  3. Apr 9, 2009 at 2:47 PM
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    Go kick the sales man in the nuts.
     
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    I can't really explain it that well... cause I don't really know what I'm talking about. But I can hold you over till someone gets here. :)

    When you engage 4WD, it... uh ??? makes your front tire(s) spin as well. Therefore you have more traction or something.

    I just figured out I have no idea what 4WD is. :( I'll be sure to stay tuned to learn more.
     
  5. Apr 9, 2009 at 2:51 PM
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    lol...30 somethings :D

    I almost kicked him in the nuts cause he was a jerkoff on top of his idiotness. Bad salesperson when you know a thing or two about how this stuff works.

    Hahaha!

    I'm sure Chris knows...he just doesn't want to share. :p
     
  6. Apr 9, 2009 at 2:56 PM
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    well now,u can engadge into 4hi up to 50mph(someone correct me if im wrong)i do it.and no its not front wheel drive.it engadges the front .and u want to be on a slippery surface when in 4wd.dont run it on solid surface like blacktop/concrete and turn the wheels.that will cause some bad things to happen.like bucking/hopping which in turn will break something.4lo u need to be stopped to engadge.your little light will blink and then stay on 4lo.again no solid hard surfaces weather your in 4lo or 4hi.if u have a locker follow 4lo instructions and then push locker button.well thats the basics.im sure someone will chime in what i missed.good luck.
     
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    untammed ss.thats funny:rofl:
     
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    Four-Wheel Drive Image Gallery
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    Hummers operate on four-wheel-drive. See more four-wheel drive pictures.
    There are almost as many different types of four-wheel-drive systems as there are four-wheel-drive vehicles. It seems that every manufacturer has several different schemes for providing power to all of the wheels. The language used by the different carmakers can sometimes be a little confusing, so before we get started explaining how they work, let's clear up some terminology:
    • Four-wheel drive - Usually, when carmakers say that a car has four-wheel drive, they are referring to a part-time system. For reasons we'll explore later in this article, these systems are meant only for use in low-traction conditions, such as off-road or on snow or ice.
    • All-wheel drive - These systems are sometimes called full-time four-wheel drive. All-wheel-drive systems are designed to function on all types of surfaces, both on- and off-road, and most of them cannot be switched off.
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    Part-time and full-time four-wheel-drive systems can be evaluated using the same criteria. The best system will send exactly the right amount of torque to each wheel, which is the maximum torque that won't cause that tire to slip.
    In this article, we'll explain the fundamentals of four-wheel drive, starting with some background on traction, and look at the components that make up a four-wheel-drive system. Then we'll take a look at a couple of different systems, including the one found on the Hummer, manufactured for GM by AM General.
    We need to know a little about torque, traction and wheel slip before we can understand the different four-wheel-drive systems found on cars
     
  9. Apr 9, 2009 at 3:00 PM
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    Torque, Traction and Wheel Slip

    Torque is the twisting force that the engine produces. The torque from the engine is what moves your car. The various gears in the transmission and differential multiply the torque and split it up between the wheels. More torque can be sent to the wheels in first gear than in fifth gear because first gear has a larger gear-ratio by which to multiply the torque.

    [FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]This bar graph indicates the amount of torque that the engine is producing. The mark on the graph indicates the amount of torque that will cause wheel slip. The car that makes a good start never exceeds this torque, so the tires don't slip; the car that makes a bad start exceeds this torque, so the tires slip. As soon as they start to slip, the torque drops down to almost zero.[/SIZE][/FONT]

    The interesting thing about torque is that in low-traction situations, the maximum amount of torque that can be created is determined by the amount of traction, not by the engine. Even if you have a NASCAR engine in your car, if the tires won't stick to the ground there is simply no way to harness that power.
    For the sake of this article, we'll define traction as the maximum amount of force the tire can apply against the ground (or that the ground can apply against the tire -- they're the same thing). These are the factors that affect traction:
    • The weight on the tire - The more weight on a tire, the more traction it has. Weight can shift as a car drives. For instance, when a car makes a turn, weight shifts to the outside wheels. When it accelerates, weight shifts to the rear wheels. (See How Brakes Work for more details.)
    • The coefficient of friction - This factor relates the amount of friction force between two surfaces to the force holding the two surfaces together. In our case, it relates the amount of traction between the tires and the road to the weight resting on each tire. The coefficient of friction is mostly a function of the kind of tires on the vehicle and the type of surface the vehicle is driving on. For instance, a NASCAR tire has a very high coefficient of friction when it is driving on a dry, concrete track. That is one of the reasons why NASCAR race cars can corner at such high speeds. The coefficient of friction for that same tire in mud would be almost zero. By contrast, huge, knobby, off-road tires wouldn't have as high a coefficient of friction on a dry track, but in the mud, their coefficient of friction is extremely high.
    • Wheel slip - There are two kinds of contact that tires can make with the road: static and dynamic.
      • static contact - The tire and the road (or ground) are not slipping relative to each other. The coefficient of friction for static contact is higher than for dynamic contact, so static contact provides better traction.
      • dynamic contact - The tire is slipping relative to the road. The coefficient of friction for dynamic contact is lower, so you have less traction.
    Quite simply, wheel slip occurs when the force applied to a tire exceeds the traction available to that tire. Force is applied to the tire in two ways:
    • Longitudinally - Longitudinal force comes from the torque applied to the tire by the engine or by the brakes. It tends to either accelerate or decelerate the car.
    • Laterally - Lateral force is created when the car drives around a curve. It takes force to make a car change direction -- ultimately, the tires and the ground provide lateral force.
    Let's say you have a fairly powerful rear-wheel-drive car, and you are driving around a curve on a wet road. Your tires have plenty of traction to apply the lateral force needed to keep your car on the road as it goes around the curve. Let's say you floor the gas pedal in the middle of the turn (don't do this!) -- your engine sends a lot more torque to the wheels, producing a large amount of longitudinal force. If you add the longitudinal force (produced by the engine) and the lateral force created in the turn, and the sum exceeds the traction available, you just created wheel slip.
    Most people don't even come close to exceeding the available traction on dry pavement, or even on flat, wet pavement. Four-wheel and all-wheel-drive systems are most useful in low-traction situations, such as in snow and on slippery hills.
    The benefit of four-wheel drive is easy to understand: If you are driving four wheels instead of two, you've got the potential to double the amount of longitudinal force (the force that makes you go) that the tires apply to the ground.
    This can help in a variety of situations. For instance:
    • In snow - It takes a lot of force to push a car through the snow. The amount of force available is limited by the available traction. Most two-wheel-drive cars can't move if there is more than a few inches of snow on the road, because in the snow, each tire has only a small amount of traction. A four-wheel-drive car can utilize the traction of all four tires.
    • Off road - In off-road conditions, it is fairly common for at least one set of tires to be in a low-traction situation, such as when crossing a stream or mud puddle. With four-wheel drive, the other set of tires still has traction, so they can pull you out.
    • Climbing slippery hills - This task requires a lot of traction. A four-wheel-drive car can utilize the traction of all four tires to pull the car up the hill.
    There are also some situations in which four-wheel drive provides no advantage over two-wheel drive. Most notably, four-wheel-drive systems won't help you stop on slippery surfaces. It's all up to the brakes and the anti-lock braking system (ABS). Now let's take a look at the parts that make up a four-wheel-drive system.
     
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    Components of a Four-wheel-drive System

    The main parts of any four-wheel-drive system are the two differentials (front and rear) and the transfer case. In addition, part-time systems have locking hubs, and both types of systems may have advanced electronics that help them make even better use of the available traction.

    Differentials A car has two differentials, one located between the two front wheels and one between the two rear wheels. They send the torque from the driveshaft or transmission to the drive wheels. They also allow the left and right wheels to spin at different speeds when you go around a turn.
    When you go around a turn, the inside wheels follow a different path than the outside wheels, and the front wheels follow a different path than the rear wheels, so each of the wheels is spinning at a different speed. The differentials enable the speed difference between the inside and outside wheels. (In all-wheel drive, the speed difference between the front and rear wheels is handled by the transfer case -- we'll discuss this next.)
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    [SIZE=-1]The most common type of differential - the open differential[/SIZE]
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    There are several different kinds of differentials used in cars and trucks. The types of differentials used can have a significant effect on how well the vehicle utilizes available traction. See How Differentials Work for more details.
    Transfer Case
    This is the device that splits the power between the front and rear axles on a four-wheel-drive car.
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    [SIZE=-1]A typical part time four-wheel drive transfer case: The planetary gear reduction can be engaged to provide the low-range gearing.[/SIZE]
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    Back to our corner-turning example: While the differentials handle the speed difference between the inside and outside wheels, the transfer case in an all-wheel-drive system contains a device that allows for a speed difference between the front and rear wheels. This could be a viscous coupling, center differential or other type of gearset. These devices allow an all-wheel-drive system to function properly on any surface.
    The transfer case on a part-time four-wheel-drive system locks the front-axle driveshaft to the rear-axle driveshaft, so the wheels are forced to spin at the same speed. This requires that the tires slip when the car goes around a turn. Part-time systems like this should only be used in low -traction situations in which it is relatively easy for the tires to slip. On dry concrete, it is not easy for the tires to slip, so the four-wheel drive should be disengaged in order to avoid jerky turns and extra wear on the tires and drivetrain.
    Some transfer cases, more commonly those in part-time systems, also contain an additional set of gears that give the vehicle a low range. This extra gear ratio gives the vehicle extra torque and a super-slow output speed. In first gear in low range, the vehicle might have a top speed of about 5 mph (8 kph), but incredible torque is produced at the wheels. This allows drivers to slowly and smoothly creep up very steep hills.
    Locking Hubs
    Each wheel in a car is bolted to a hub. Part-time four-wheel-drive trucks usually have locking hubs on the front wheels. When four-wheel drive is not engaged, the locking hubs are used to disconnect the front wheels from the front differential, half-shafts (the shafts that connect the differential to the hub) and driveshaft. This allows the differential, half-shafts and driveshaft to stop spinning when the car is in two-wheel drive, saving wear and tear on those parts and improving fuel-economy.
    Manual locking hubs used to be quite common. To engage four-wheel drive, the driver actually had to get out of the truck and turn a knob on the front wheels until the hubs locked. Newer systems have automatic locking hubs that engage when the driver switches into four-wheel drive. This type of system can usually be engaged while the vehicle is moving.
    Whether manual or automatic, these systems generally use a sliding collar that locks the front half-shafts to the hub.
    Advanced Electronics
    On many modern four-wheel and all-wheel-drive vehicles, advanced electronics play a key role. Some cars use the ABS system to selectively apply the brakes to wheels that start to skid -- this is called brake-traction control.
    Others have sophisticated, electronically-controlled clutches that can better control the torque transfer between wheels. We'll take a look at one such advanced system later in the article. First, let's see how the most basic part-time four-wheel-drive system works.
     
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    Don't use 4WD on dry pavement (hard dry surfaces).

    AVOID turning the wheel to the lock (Don't make tight turns when in 4WD).

    There are certain situations where you'll have 4WD engaged and you'll make a turn (usually a slow turn) and the truck will start to buck & jump and won't want to move smoothly. When this occurs - let off the throttle and straighten out the steering wheel. Sometimes you might want to back-up a bit and the turn again. If the truck continues to buck & jump - disengage the 4WD and make the turn in 2WD instead.

    Any other situations in 4WD when the truck bucks, does strange things or otherwise doesn't want to move - DON'T FORCE IT. Do the suggestions above to help smooth things out.

    Sometimes you might have trouble getting it to engage or disengage - and all that depends on the torque load on the drivetrain. If you're engaging it *on the run* - let of the gas a bit. If you're engaging it at a standstill, rock the truck forward or backward until it engages. Sometimes turning the wheel helps also.

    Engage 4WD atleast once a month - this helps keep everything lubricated, moving, and ready for when you really need to use it. I'll often engage mine in 4WD for a few miles on the highway in heavy downpours going up to (but not beyond) 65mph. I do this only for a few miles on the highway and that's it.

    4Lo range is completey different and should be engaged while you're completely stopped. The fastest you can go is probably about 35mph in 4lo.
     
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    A Basic System

    The type of part-time system typically found on four-wheel-drive pickups and older SUVs works like this: The vehicle is usually rear-wheel drive. The transmission hooks up directly to a transfer case. From there, one driveshaft turns the front axle, and another turns the rear axle.

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    [SIZE=-1]Diagram of basic system[/SIZE]
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    When four-wheel drive is engaged, the transfer case locks the front driveshaft to the rear driveshaft, so each axle receives half of the torque coming from the engine. At the same time, the front hubs lock.
    The front and rear axles each have an open differential. Although this system provides much better traction than a two-wheel-drive vehicle, it has two main drawbacks. We've already discussed one of them: It cannot be used on-road because of the locked transfer case.
    The second problem comes from the type of differentials used: An open differential splits the torque evenly between each of the two wheels it is connected to (see How Differentials Work for more details). If one of those two wheels comes off the ground, or is on a very slippery surface, the torque applied to that wheel drops to zero. Because the torque is split evenly, this means that the other wheel also receives zero torque. So even if the other wheel has plenty of traction, no torque is transferred to it. The animation below shows how a system like this reacts under various conditions.

    [FONT=arial, helvetica][SIZE=-1]Animation of a basic system encountering various combinations of terrain. This vehicle gets stuck when two of its wheels are on the ice.[/SIZE][/FONT]

    Previously, we said that the best four-wheel-drive system will send exactly the right amount of torque to each wheel, the right amount being the maximum torque that won't cause that tire to slip. This system rates fairly poorly by that criterion. It sends to both wheels the amount of torque that won't cause the tire with the least traction to slip. There are some ways to make improvements to a system like this. Replacing the open differential with a limited-slip rear differential is one of the most common ones -- this makes sure that both rear wheels are able to apply some torque no matter what. Another option is a locking differential, which locks the rear wheels together to ensure that each one has access to all of the torque coming into the axle, even if one wheel is off the ground -- this improves performance in off-road conditions.
     
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    I thought I knew something about it. I used to work on tractors. They were 4WD. Well at least some of them. And I just helped my friend change his transfer case. And we just got back from a trip where we used 4hi a lot. (got pics. will post later in a thread)

    I'm quite sad now. :(
     
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    your truck will normally be just pushing with the back two wheels, when in four wheel drive ( for in snow, or other slippery situations) you should put your truck in 4 hi, this is normal fwd, means all four wheels will be pushing the truck so you won't fish tail do to no weight in the back of your truck. 4low though is for when your in a bog and such where you need all four wheels going but in very low speeds like if your pulling a load or something and your stuck, its just to get you out.

    I've put my truck in and out of 4 hi in speeds up to 70km/h
    4low I haven't had to use so i just avoid it, but you should be in park to put it on. you will know if your driving down the street in 4 low because your truck will lag and you'll sense somethings wrong ie no power, very shifty and strained feel and sound.

    With your truck in 4hi though you may find it a bit diff cutting sharp turns like backing out of a parking spot just becasue all tires are pushing but its not that big of a diff.

    I live where theres snow, 4wd is a def must for the days when its slippery outside, hope this helps you out
     
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    The truck is rear wheel drive. There is one main drive wheel in the rear. If you get an LSD the other rear will engage when the main drive wheel spins. If you have a locker, you lock both rears to drive wheels.

    When you engage 4x4 you get the main rear drive wheel and one in the front. So you have two drive wheels, one in the front and one in the rear. You would need to have a locker in the front and rear both engaged to have all 4 wheels in drive mode.

    The truck is never front wheel drive.
     
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    Sick! Thanks chris, janster, mainland_newfie, blackrig, and pataco!!! (mainly)
    Thanks to everyone else too!

    I also have seen 4awd...along with 2hi, 4hi, 4lo...would 4awd be something like awd??? If it makes a difference it was on my friends 02 Chevy Trailblazer LTZ.
     
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    AWD vehicles are a bit different, obviously.....and somewhat hard to explain while keeping it short & sweet.

    The AWD systems have different types of mechanicals designed to be able to ride on-pavement.

    We used to own a Grand Cherokee which has AWD. The front & rear differentials have viscous couplings in them. The viscous couplings are designed to sense wheel spin and transfer power to the slipping wheels (side to side transfer of power). The transfer case (center differential) also has a viscous coupling in it that transfers power front to back as needed when slippage occurs. In normaly driving - there's a split of 60 rear and 40 front (can't remember exactly).

    My husbands current vehicle - Acura MDX has AWD system. I'm not sure how their system works...but it's an 80 front / 20 rear split. Also designed to transfer power when needed. He also has a button on the dash that allows him to lock them all in manually. But, I'm not familiar with his car that much and not exactly sure how it works.

    Each vehicle manufacturer has a different system design but overall, the same functions.

    It's pretty interesting what the vehicles can do these days. A lot of mechanical engineering and more electronically involved.
     
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    There are. And the locker utilizes two gremilins that reside under the polymer bed. Don't believe all this mechanical mumbo jumbo nonsense.
     

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