How happy are you with the 2.7L 4x4

No but I know the difference between 60% + in hp and torque to know its not even close.

 

I drove 1200 miles this Christmas to Indiana and back. I drove (crawled) through the whiteout in Erie PA on I90. Never did I think the truck was a "dog" or have any problems doing 70 mph at reasonable RPMS.

 

The almost daily threads on here about the 3.5L suggest otherwise.

OP I am happy with my 4 banger. I would probably feel differently if it wasn’t a manual.

 

You’re looking at the difference in numbers expressing an engines output. That precisely it. You’re looking at numbers. You 1) have to consider that unless you’re gunning it, you’re only operating at like 117 hp. Or something like that. Some other guy did the math and I’m the worst at facts and figures. 2) you’re completely ignoring all the bits and pieces from the crank to the diff and everything in between and how that translates to power at the wheels.

 

Dont you think thats what a dyno does ?
Look at the charts.

 

Yes. As far as I know, those engines were tested for output. On an engine stand.

Those figures are at crank Bro.

 

I love mine

 

Meh...those same people probably complain about everything else in their lives.

 

Yeah I think you are probably right about that hahaha.

 

It is relative.
End result is 60% more regardless of measurement at engine or on dyno.
Look at some of the charts on here for the tuning of the engine, before and after on dyno.

 

I don't want to take sides here, but you can definitely feel the huge difference between the V6 and I4. I even felt it in the first gen Tacoma's where the power difference between the two engines was much closer. I doubt you would deny this, or any reasonable person who has driven them both. Unlike my high school friend who was absolutely convinced his 1.6L SOHC Civic could take on a 5.0L Mustang. Delusional. I had a Honda, too, and loved driving that thing around. I knew it wasn't a powerhouse, but that little 4-banger screaming, tossing that thing into corners--lots of fun. I had a choice to get something with more power. But I liked my little Honda, despite the lack in power, because I knew power is not the only thing that makes the car fun. This is probably how most of you 2.7'ers feel as well. I can respect that. Just trying to make sure some of the more delusional folks are kept in check.

 

This is a classic case of tomfoolery. The v6 is capable of great things. Sometimes, when Atkinson steps aside, you can “insist” that your truck put out. I suspect that 3.5ers complain about lack of power because the engine is burping power back up into the intake until your right foot specifically says “more power, dick”, and then at the point it’s possible to achieve those peak numbers at the crank. The 4cyl is different, it’s Otto cycle the whole time, and that does a lot for PERCEPTION. Like that poster above said, didn’t notice a huge difference. I don’t either. I would if I was towing, certainly. And a person could have a 3k hp engine at the crank, and still have dog shit performance when engine and tranny ecus, poor mapping and gear ratios are involved. How this is overlooked is beyond me. That’s why there are fewer complaints about power in the 2.7 manual (I’ve heard like 5 total and one is in this thread) because the power output tryout is in the hands of the operator, on demand, without any ecu “beauracracy”

 

I’ve heard the delusional bit before. Lol. People can take it or leave it. If the question is “stun gun, do you FEEL a difference in the 3.5 opposed to the 2.7?” I would answer “thanks Nancy, I’m glad you brought that up, it’s a great question and I’m happy to answer it for you. No.”

I know the 3.5 is capable of producing more power. It just doesn’t FEEL like it to most drivers.


And the ACTUAL Difference in power is smaller than the scenario you described with the mustang. That knocks 50% of the delusion off your delusion estimate we’re talking about an Atkinson fucked engine vs a 4 banger with longer stroke and bigger pistons.

 

What charts lol? You bring them HERE. Do you show up to the first day of class and expect the teacher to hand you a pencil? Bro you gotta put in work. The numbers expressing hp are at the crank. When it finally gets to the wheels, the difference in FEEL could be described as negligible.

I’m sorry that I’m not sorry that I believe my engine feels more fun to wind out than yours. But that’s the fact. I like my engine waaaaaaaaaaay more than I like yours, and I highly recommend it to others.

 

I would take a 2.7 just because it's made in Japan.

 

So 0-60 times should be about the same then. LOL
Gauntlet tow test the same also ?
So why are they only rated at 3500 lb tow instead of 6800 ?

https://www.jpauleytoyota.com/blog/what-is-the-towing-capacity-of-the-2016-toyota-tacoma/

3300 lbs difference. Guess it's kind of negligible.

 

I'm disappointed Toyota is getting rid of the 2.7 5spd MT for the 2018, that's less choice where there's already not a lot of choice out there Anybody know the reason why?

 

Dream on he says. Ok dad. Bro are you citing the gauntlet? Is that the segment where two fuck asses and a foreign guy speak at a camera? Look. I’m listening to you. Don’t get aggravated. Let’s talk. You don’t NEED those tfl guys to make your point. The 3.5 makes more power than the 2.7. I’ve said that. You should take that statement, and tuck it under your pillow tonight. Reach for it when you’re in distress. But no matter how much power it makes, it’s not that perceivable to most drivers including myself. Unless you’re towing. Up a hill. Similar to the gauntlet... or perhaps the gauntlet. Which I’ve already said. But I’ll drive it home again- that 60% over you claim, I don’t feel. Others don’t feel. I’ve had a v6 tacoma and have driven a 3rd genv6, back to back, on a private lot, settling this argument in person with co workers. Consensus was- barely perceivable power and my 4 banger was quicker. So I’m not buying what you’re selling.



Oh and edit to add before you freak out, PERCIEVABLE. The 3.5 is still more powerful... just.. eh nevermind

 

Addressing your edit- you don’t read well. Go back and count how many times I’ve mentioned the greater towing ability of the 6. Do it. Go read.

Lemme help you out. Post three like 5 lines down. See. I type these things, u no comprehends. Not my problem.