How much more would you pay for a diesel Tacoma compared to a V6 gasoline Tacoma?

Zero dollars and No cents.....

Here's why;

I'm half owner of a business where we own 3 Dodge/Cummins diesel 1-ton trucks. We've also own 2 trucks that have gas/Hemi's, but are otherwise identical trucks. They are used to tow 20,000GVWR 30' gooseneck trailers that at times are loaded to the hilt. Lots of highway towing....lots of mileage to compare operating expenses. We have our drivers track every penny of expenses. Repair and mainenance cost is tracked. Initial purchase price is included. An, as these trucks are replaced and/or sold off, that is included in the "cost per mile" bottom line.

Repairs on the diesels is more expensive. Routine maintenance is more expensive. Fuel cost is more to offset any (alleged) mileage advantage. Initial purchase price is more.... It goes on and on.

And that bottom line reflects one VERY telling tale. The gassers cost less initially and cost roughly 10% LESS to operate over the long haul.

Both gas AND diesels will tow the same loads at legal speed limits. There is no measurable advantage from a business standpoint with the diesels. The ONLY real advantage is when my drivers are drag racing up a long uphill grade with a heavy load behind their trucks.

The gassers are quieter. They don't have smelly exhaust. And they're a TON easier to start in cold weather once they reach that point in life where they aren't new any longer.

In a few words, the diesels just are NOT worth the higher investment.

YMMV.

 

The frame, brakes and overall capacities of the taco keep it a midsize. Everyone wants a 3/4 ton taco. Mpgs are nice, but everyone acts like the mileage would double. You still have to buy diesel fuel, the actual difference might be 10 mpg more or approx 50% increase in economy. The repair bills are not cool with a diesel. I had the duramax and I speak from experience. The taco is designed to be what it is, a midsize truck. If you want or need a diesel, go buy a big truck. There is a reason they didn't offer a 454 big block in the chevette. If you tow more, you need bigger brakes. If you haul more you need a tougher frame/springs. I had the big truck, it was sweet 4 days a year when I actually needed it. I switched to the taco, it is sweet 350 days a year. Sometimes it's two trips, sometimes it's borrow a buddy's 3/4 ton.
Now back to how much I will pay? None. The techs struggle with gas engines enough. There are NO diesel Toyota tech in the US and they would never get it right. The tech that finally fixed the duramax worked for a Volvo semi dealership... Not GM

 

Yeah. I would love an F-150 and in my mind I would use it all the time, but I am pretty sure I have fit 12' 2x8s in the Taco many a time. Gas mileage sucks but hey...its bulletproof and will last me ten years until my son can have it.

 

We all have way too much free time on our hands.;-)))

 

Thats the poitn of Colorado diesel, a midsize truck with diesel engine. You can tow more easier but still get insane MPG on drive to work during a work week and have a place to park at work.
Comment about techs not knowing is very funny, because most of Toyota techs can't set level of Automatic transmission fluid correctly (toyota removed dipstick) does that mean we should all get manual transmissions ?
I owned a lot of Diesels in my life and none of them ever was more costly than any of the gasoline cars I owned.
Diesel is so simple design that there is not much to go wrong, when it goes wrong part will cost more because they have to be stronger (look at Titan XD engine making blocks out of Iron Graphite) but there are less parts to go wrong on diesel.

 

Diesels......simple, strong and dirty....and that's the rub and expense. VW couldn't do it and sell it cheaply enough with good enough performance without cheating. Even in the Tundra, Toyota doesn't commit to the R and D for a American diesel option preferring instead to have a subcontrtor do it.

You only have to look (or breathe) the exhaust of an un treated gas engine compared to that of an untreated diesel to realize the difference and the inherent problems. So, with your love of small diesels you have put an order in for a Colorado diesel ? (Made in China ?)

 

Toyota had been cutting R&D money in US for all vehicles. Diesel or none. Check their financial statements from last couple years. Not enough R&D money is probably a reason why 2016 Tacoma is such a turd. They simply took 2gen and modified so it looks slightly different, than took engine they already produce in US and flipped software on it.
All that looks like very cheap R&D. They even kept drum brakes on the rear axle.
Diesel can be very clean, new particle filters are nothing tragic. Millions of cars in Europe run them already. Nobody is complaining it seems the only people that complain are in US.

 

Have you actually driven one of these 3 gen turds ? One of the reasons that a product like a Tacoma can show good first year reliability is.....it's made from many existing parts that have been field tested. I would NOT want a New motor...that's why Lexus and other models (Tundra and four runner) are significantly more.....you're paying for the Rand D. I would argue they have not been cutting monies....they just never put much to begin with in Tacoma and Scion for example.

 

Btw..the US produces more gasoline then it uses. Gasoline will be with us for a long time.....the price of diesel fuel IMHO, will be more volatile even if the fuel is not.

 

That wasn't much of a tire spin.

 

It was a test I read about somewhere during all of this fiasco. Some were better some were this bad, depending on the vehicle. Even then at 20% just for conversation really would suck. Other tests showed a dramatic decrease in HP and torque with the emissions control enabled.

 

Then by all means go buy one.

As it stands today I am not interested in the diesel option. I have no need for the low end torque. The added maintenance costs, def, etc., makes the diesel an option I don't care about. For those that do, have at it. Maybe the Chevy/GMC won't rust out before the diesel motor dies.

 

I have no use or desire for a diesel in my Tacoma. I have lots of faith and decades of good luck with my gasoline powered Toyota engines. Diesels are expensive to repair and oil changes are costly. I swapped an in tank fuel pump and an injector pump on my father in-law's Cummins and it was something like $1500 just for the parts. Shortly after that his tranny went out and cost him around $4500. Shortly after that his wife ran a red light and wrecked it.

 

http://dieseltoys.com/tacoma-diesel-conversions

Here you go, $22,500 to $28,5000 parts & labor

 

Not a penny more. They chage more to keep them down and gas engines up. It's all about the oil.

 

26k hahaha hah

 

I honestly would pay around 4k more all day long...

the power delivery of a diesel is worth 4k... ill pay 8k to have the lbz duramax engine in it...

 

I disagree the locker was a biggie for me buying a Tacoma, if they didn't offer the rear locker on the TRD offroad I most likely wouldn't have bought one. Oversized tires are also a pretty big asset if you drive offroad, if they could make a simple diesel engine that did not cost a fortune I would purchase one just for the low end grunt that you don't get from a gas engine.


Now if they would only offer a selectable front locker from the factory that would be sweet...that is one of the features I really miss from my Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon. I didn't use them all the time but the times I did need to lock them it was priceless....same thing with the factory BFG Mud Terrains....the stuff that thing went through bone stock was amazing....if only it had a truck bed I would most likely still own it.

 

Source for that info?

 

I agree, the rear locker was a big selling point for me and I'd definitely pay for a front locker from the factory. I quickly swapped out the stock tires for a slightly taller tire with more aggressive tread, while trying to balance off-road / on-road performance to fit my needs. So far so good...