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Hydrogen help!

Discussion in '4 Cylinder' started by hwork50, Feb 23, 2011.

  1. Feb 23, 2011 at 8:13 PM
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    hwork50

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    My buddy swears by these things and I am so skeptical and I am calling BS. However, with that being said many people do claim that they work. Anyone want to chime in on how this may be true or not?

    http://www.hydrogen-fuel.ca/ (this is an example)

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  2. Feb 23, 2011 at 9:09 PM
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    Burning hydrogen as fuel is relatively easy. BMW has been doing it for years.

    Where does the electricity come from to get unit to separate hydrogen from water? The unit will use more electrical energy than the lower heating value available in hydrogen as fuel. With enough time and patience you can get the setup to function, but you'll get worse milage than the stock truck.
     
  4. Feb 24, 2011 at 4:11 AM
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    It's not BS, it works if it's done right. But you'll never drive enough miles to recoup the original cost in fuel savings. If you're really interested, there's a great website dedicated to this: http://www.hhoforums.com/
     
  5. Feb 24, 2011 at 9:32 PM
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    Fuel injectors must pump wet, run em dry and they break ,so it would have to be on a carbeurated engine, or do they just dump the hydrogen and O2 into the intake manifold and change the entire fuel map the MAF sensor helps to deliver?

    water transmits sound extremely well, i dont see their "harmonic frequencies" having any ability to excite the moecules.180 out of phase will simply cancel out the 2 sounds, thats how active noise canceling works. Science word razzle dazzle.
    I dont buy them claiming oxygen increases octane, it would encourage a faster burn if anything.

    the kicker idiot line of the decade .... about the 10% ferrous oxide epoxy creating a capacitor that smooths out square wave to sine wave...square wave is created by decent but inexpensive inverters we use for ac power, u cant smooth it to sine wave, any harmonic frequency naturally as they are saying would only be a sine wave in appearance, nature doesnt make a square wave.

    air coil for the mosfet? air for electricity?

    awsome sounding stuff , but under basic scrutiny is exposed as BS. (as we all know )...they love saying that too i notice , our nuclear subs use whats called an O2 generator, same stuff, amps splitting water. a lot of true stuff bundled up into a lie imo.

    A lot of the stuff i cant make sense of , maybe someone else can. I"m not a rocket scientist by any loose standard , but I dont think you need to be to spot the holes in the explanations.
     
  6. Feb 25, 2011 at 2:33 PM
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    I agree DHK
    He is using gas to make electricity to split water ,and seep it back into th gas. In his vision we would be free of oil dependency 100%....... hmm and the energy companies are gonna let him run off with the profits. I noticed no patents pending.

    One of the big energy arguements is for making the hydrogen for fuel cells, use the grid and its basicly using coal , or use solar and we lack the infrastructure. But the cool thing is that its coming eventually, some way , and snake oil free.
     
  7. Feb 25, 2011 at 2:42 PM
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    IMO hydrogen should be where all the money is going for green energy. Battery powered cars just don't have the distance yet, and when you run out of juice it might be 24 hours before you can drive again. Hydrogen you just fill up like regular gas. And it burns really clean. In an ideal enviornment your car should only create water, but in the real world there will be a small amount of emmisions.
     
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    As everyone has noted, you cannot split water, burn the hydrogen and oxygen, have water as exhaust, and gain energy. For hydrogen to be a viable fuel, you would need to have a less energy intense processing method. Hydrocarbons are hydrogen rich and can be easily broken down. But that would still leave us with the drilling and mining we currently have. And, we would still need to deal with the residual carbon. Processing would also consume more energy that the current systems.

    The real question is, are the hydrogen/hydroxyl ions a calalyst for the current gasoline burning engine? If so, the generators could be worthwhile.

    I haven't seen enough evidence to believe so.

    (fix spelling)
     
  9. May 31, 2011 at 11:32 AM
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    Yea WTF? Dude at work just had his kit arrive...he's gonna put on his Corolla:confused: Got it from these guys....http://mileageshop.com/

    he added his friend has been running this set up for 4 years now on a dodge V8...
     
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    :laugh: Im good...dude at my work dang sure bought one tho :eek: and he's got another dude convinced. Think I'll wait for him to tell me yay or nay....probably still nay for me tho :eek:
     
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    The only problem with hydrogen is its dangerous
     
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    Hydrogen addition is a good way to reduce gasoline consumption, but producing hydrogen by tapping into the little bit of usable energy the vehicle gets from gasoline combustion is dumb. The vendors are picking and choosing proven facts to sell their relatively cheap products. There's info on the web regarding on-board hydrogen production systems that use some of the engine's wasted heat (where 80% of your gasoline energy goes) using a methanol steam recapture method, but the technology was never developed.

    Like all technological advances/discoveries, production development only happens when it's profitable, regardless of potential intrinsic benefits.
     
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    My first reaction was, it's going to take too much engine power to generate the needed electricity to produce the H2 & O2... but for all I know, the added H2 & O2 could dramatically increase engine power beyond what is required to generate the needed electricity, and so maybe this system could be truly effective. But most consumers consider cost as a major purchasing factor and for the cost of the system, I feel this product has potential but needs more R&D before it's ready for the mass market.
     
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    a friend of mine, for his final engineering project, turned his astrovan into a gas/hydrogen hybrid, fit a water tank and ran current off the alternator through it, the fuel efficiency was increased by approx 20%, it had a noticeable gain in power to.
    he was telling me that if they could have calibrated the ecu computer you could potentially see a 65% gain in fuel efficiency.

    so i personally know they work, and they dont take much to build
     
  17. Jun 12, 2011 at 11:19 PM
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    Slap an oxygen tank on in place of this crazy setup and you'd probably get the same effect, if not better. Essentially, you're just increasing the combustion efficiency of the fuel with the oxygen, doing jack or breaking even with the hydrogen. (Nitrous oxide? Been doing the same shit for years?) For me, the rub is in the increased wear on your electrical system. Also, lean mixture burns out plugs and pistons, what kind of longevity do you think you can expect out of your motor after cooking it with gas?

    (I linked it to my engineering friends on facebook, we'll see what they say)
     
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    I don't oppose the idea of putting one of these on your trucks, but I do oppose the idea of buying a kit for it. You could get all the parts to make one of these for <$100.
     
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    DOM,
    Post up his write-up on this.
    From what I've read, I have a hard time believing this, but I would gladly read through his data. If he did this as a school project there should be a report.
     
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    i asked him about it the other day, he says there a report somewhere but i dont see him going to look for it really. and he lives a couple of hours away these days so it's hard to keep buggin him about it
     
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