Hydrogen Hybrid

I'll be buying a Tacoma soon. somewhere from an '09-'12. I bought a hydrogen system to upgrade my Chevy 454 to. But I ended up selling the truck before I could install it.
So now I have a great hydrogen kit I'll probably attempt installing in the Tacoma. Has anyone tried doing this? Any roadblocks or anything I should be aware of?

I installed a similar setup in an '04 years back and it worked well. And want to do it again to help improve gas mileage.

Cheers!

 

Never heard of anybody doing this. Sounds cool

 

About 10 years ago I was developing my own system completely from scratch and accidentally came across this guys' site. They are really high quality and comparatively priced to making your own. I've bought two from him and are great to try out if you ever want to tinker around with something. Worst case scenario is that it cleans your valves and cylinders a bit. As it burns really clean and cleans up the engine. Best case, you get at minimum 25% fuel economy gain, improved fuel burn, better emissions (since it's spitting out hydrogen) and an HP increase.

 

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Before you start modifying your pickup, I would have a look at this article. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29899191/.

 

I think the only issue is finding a hydrogen station near by .. Or make your own somehow?

 

Unless your setup is large might not see much if any benefit. They do work on smallest of small 4 cyls.

 

If this stuff is so guaranteed magical, why doesn't every car have it now?
Too much of a money maker to not be everywhere.

 

HHO? Sooooo water.

 

Ah. Nevermind.

 

It's a great idea, the problem is with today's technology (or at least the technology the government allows us to have), any gain from injecting the Hydrogen into your vehicle is negated by the energy it takes to produce the Hydrogen using the vehicles power. Now if the vehicle did not have to produce its own Hydrogen and say you pulled up to a Hydrogen station, then yes you would benefit. But the energy it took to generate that Hydrogen will always be greater than what we can currently get out of it.

 

You are right. It does take power to perform the conversion. Which is why in most passenger vehicles, the smart thing is to install a HO alternator. But the output is definitely noticeable. HHO or "Brown's Gas" became really big when gas was pushing $4 a gallon several years back. The concept has been around since the early 70's. But like you said, it's not well known because of government resistance.

People have been adding them to things like 4 cyls (me) to diesel semis and seeing noticeable gains.

A very simple breakdown is that the system runs off a water tank (like a gas tank) adding a little electrolyte to the water to enhance the electrolysis process and injects the split off hydrogen atoms into the fuel mixture. You need things like a Pulse Width Modulator to balance the output (you don't want max output at idle but want it when hauling a heavy load over a mountain). Because you are injecting hydrogen and less gas, the mix needs to be leaner to see the benefits. So an EFIE (Electronic Fuel Input Enhancer I believe) is added to the exhaust sensor to make the engine think it's fuel mixture is right when it's super lean with gasoline exhaust and richer with hydrogen. Otherwise, it will see the exhaust as lean and dump more gas into the engine negating the entire process.

Pretty cool stuff

I just like it because it keeps the engine cleaner, better for the environment and sticks it to the man...at least a tiny bit.

 

Lol Speculation is totally understandable. But a seller I am definitely not. My setup cost a pretty penny. If ya read my first message I was looking for peeps who have done it so I can talk with them about their builds. The primary issue with the setups is that you have to keep a good water/electrolite balance in the water tank. But with the price of gas dropping so much since the last big spike, few people want to foot the $1000 bill for a HHO setup. I love technology and hacking stuff. So HHO is a fun hobby of mine.

 

I am always a bit skeptical of ideas that involve tapping into the useful kinetic energy that the engine is putting out in order to increase overall efficiency. If the system was based on utilizing a portion of the 60% of wasted energy, for example, using a thermoelectric generator for electolysis, there might be something to it. Just my non-experienced opinion though . . . interesting concept and looking forward to your implementation of it in a Tacoma.

 

Yur right on the money with it tapping into the inefficiency of the combustion motor. So much unburned gasoline is wasted and sent out the exhaust manifold because it burns at a low temp than hydrogen and burns slowly, the added hydrogen, which burns at a higher temperature and faster, helps ignite more if the unspent fuel in the cylinder on each stroke. So it not only improves the efficiency but keeps the engine cleaner. The only loss is in the power draw from alternator for the electrolysis process. Which is why it's good practice to install an HO alternator to compensate. Once I get it installed, I'll add in a new string with lots of pics and more details.

 

Any updates?

 

Not yet. I have a couple more projects to get completed on it before I tackle this doozy

 

any update? I was thinking about doing this to my 3rd gen..

Paired with a solar panel to charge the battery (so I can get enough amps) coupled with a dry cell type hho I think I could boost mileage, hp and emissions.

 

I haven't installed it yet still. Too many home projects to finish right now. I can't imagine solar will provide much more than a slow trickle charge. good idea though.
Then I need to save up for a custom front bumper. Then I'll setup the go system. Sorry just too many responsibilities at the moment XP

 

A solar panel that is large will provide 50-60 amps and 330-370 kw. That with the heavy duty alternator will charge the battery and not put a strain on the system. This should produce enough amps to the dry cell and create 1-4 liters of Hydrogen per min... I have seen it do 4.5 liters per min on a 20 amp system.

That seems to be a solid amount for anyone if you are just using it as an additive.

I think I need to do more research but that should be good for my 3.5 engine and give me all the benefits of this system.