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I drew my weapon in self defense: Gun owners & Dog Walkers

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by Specalt, May 28, 2013.

  1. Jun 17, 2013 at 2:22 PM
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    ^^ Many buy dogs for "protection," so don't really want to restrain the dog all that much when it acts aggressively towards others (human or animal). After all, that's exactly what they bought the dog for. As a result, many will openly or subtly encourage aggressive behavior, the latter often claiming they didn't know the dog was that aggressive (while trying to contain their smiles). And a few will even become empowered by that, acting aggressively themselves (at least while the dog is around). With that in mind, it's really not hard to see why some owners would just stand there and passively watch their dog go after others.
     
  2. Jun 17, 2013 at 2:46 PM
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    well I hope he enjoyed the vet bill that is if he even bothered to take it in. I can tell you the dog was hurting. I tried to give him a chance. the next time it might be my knife instead of my foot which is sad to me. but I cant take the chance with my kids walking my dog or even my wife walking my dogs. stupid people just piss me off. its hard to blame a dog when the owners are the stupid ones!
     
  3. Jun 17, 2013 at 3:06 PM
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    Get some "Halt". You can buy it at bike stores or online. Works great and you don't have to let the dog get that close. Doesn't hurt the dog, just makes him change his mind about coming your direction. Not fair to hurt the dog when the owner is a dip S(*t.
     
  4. Jun 18, 2013 at 9:09 AM
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    I am glad you or your dog did not get hurt.
     
  5. Jun 19, 2013 at 7:16 AM
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    So long story short, you kicked a dog for no reason, with no backup other than 'it was charging, and went straight for mine'...but somehow your dog keeps it's cool during the situation but YOU cant?

    My third quote below speaks all I need to say about this nonsense.
     
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  6. Jun 19, 2013 at 7:43 AM
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    Sounds to me like he had a perfectly good reason. A dog off a leash, charging toward you is an unknown quantity. I don't want to pay vet bills for either dog if a fight ensues, or at worst have my dog killed. I would have done the exact same thing.

    As for the person not keeping cool while their dog did... that assumes a dog has human like thoughts, which is a false assumption. I have a very passive dog who, despite being large, would not react to a charging dog displaying agressive behavior until actually attacked, at which point it would be too late.
     
  7. Jun 19, 2013 at 8:10 AM
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    ok let me explain this is little more. I waited until his dog was ON my dog! before that happened I was positioning myself between the 2 of them. which was hard since my dog was trying to get away from the situation by pull away from me. so I think I did a very good job of keeping my cool. I was not in a panic and I thought my way through it. I have dealt with lots of dogs and instead of grabbing his dog and getting bit myself I choose to give it a kick.
    I wont apologize for that I believe I did the right thing, had I kicked the dog before that then maybe
     
  8. Jun 19, 2013 at 8:26 AM
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    No sir, it assumes the same thing you are saying, that it does NOT have human like thoughts, but has natural ANIMAL instinctive thoughts.

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    OK man, maybe so. It just doesn't read like that is all, and I have a hard time believing it because I've dealt with many dogs myself. All I will say further is that if it was ON your dog as you say, your dog would have fought back naturally instead of taking it, which you claim didnt. Much like you would fight back if somebody hit you more than likely... I won't fault you for breaking it up if that is/was the case, but the way it reads isn't like that.
     
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  9. Jun 19, 2013 at 8:35 AM
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    did you not read the part just above you last post where I said my dog was trying to get away and once the other dog was ON my dog that is when i made the decision to remove it using my foot.
    my dog is very submissive when it come to other dogs. he let a 10 week old puppy bully him. so you can stop make all those assumptions you are making! you weren't there I was and I would do it again the same way if put in that situation again.

    the whole point to my post was people need to either control there pets or face what may happen.
    if your dog wont listen to you off leash then you dog should not be off leash.
     
  10. Jun 19, 2013 at 8:43 AM
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    Original post just says 'too bad it has broken ribs blah blah blah' all you said was 'it was charging and went straight for mine, so i kicked it' period. Now after being questioned, 'well it was on my dog and I couldnt get them to break it up...' Funny how that works. 'Yeah, i shot that mother f*cker, officer'....so you murdered him? "well officer, he had told me he was going to kill me and I thought he had a gun..." See how that sounds?
     
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    no not really, I do see I was not to in-depth in my first post, but I never said I could not break them up I said I chose to kick the dog instead of grabbing it because I did not want to get bit, had I grab it I would have.
     
  12. Jun 19, 2013 at 1:06 PM
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    Guy, if a dog is off it's leash and charging at people, their pets, or whatever, I have no problem whatsoever with anyone using it as a football. Neither does the law. Much of this thread has focused on how people should be free to walk down a street (or in a park, or etc) without fear or concern of being attacked by stray animals. To sum it up, if you don't want your animal kicked, or even potentially shot with a firearm, keep it on a leash and well under control. Those who fail at that very simple, basic, requirement should criticize themselves, not others.
     
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    ^ this.
     
  14. Jun 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM
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    Agreed!
     
  15. Jun 19, 2013 at 8:32 PM
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  16. Jun 20, 2013 at 8:28 AM
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    I am a dog owner and have been all my life and agree with this wholeheartedly.
     
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  18. Jun 24, 2013 at 8:28 PM
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    That about sums it up. Well said!
     
  19. Jun 27, 2013 at 3:00 PM
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    I never thought this thread would slow down.

    While I was tempted on many occasions to join in the crowd and weigh my endless insights on all the ins and outs of what the OP did right and/or wrong, when the dust settles, whether you are in the over reacted camp, under reacted camp or reacted just right camp, it was just that, a reaction.

    Due to the general lack of consideration of another person sharing a public space the OP found himself in a situation that essentially required some sort of reaction, which, like any reaction, had to be made in real time. The OP was then gracious enough to share his experience so we could second guess the entire event conveniently separated in both time and distance and totally lacking the sum of the OP's experiences, cultural and regional influences, environmental influences and recent direct experience with animals and proceed to provide pages and pages of what my look like forum fodder but is actually most likely a graduate level psych analysis on the role of egocentrism in the formation of opinions.

    To the OP, I am withholding judgement on your actions for the following reasons:

    1. As stated above, I believe you were forced to react by the inconsiderate actions of another person

    2. Until I have had the exact same experience as you judgement simply seems misplaced

    3. I'm too busy washing all the windows in my glass house to throw stones


    :eek:
     
  20. Jun 28, 2013 at 7:00 AM
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    This is a great reply.
     
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