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I know it is cold but there is no way this normal for a clutch right?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by ahlerscurtis, Jan 4, 2018.

  1. Jan 4, 2018 at 6:06 AM
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    I know the 2nd gens have sticky clutches when it is cold outside. But my clutch is now really sticky and I feel like it is not normal or safe to drive with.

    The clutch stays this way for about 15mins while driving, until the engine gets really hot.

    This is my second manual truck, I ever experienced this before with my first manual.

    Any chance there is moister in the lines and that is what is freezing? The truck is still under warranty, is it worth taking it to the dealer? or is these just the way tacomas are.

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  2. Jan 4, 2018 at 6:28 AM
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    My clutch pedal was squeaking and I got a free updated pedal/masterful assembly installed at the dealer under warranty
     
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    Flush the clutch fluid perhaps?
     
  4. Jan 4, 2018 at 7:06 AM
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    the gear oil is cold and thick and not up to the operating viscosity until it heats up to proper operating temp., this is normal for all manual transmissions when subjected to below freezing artic temps.
     
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    At -20F mine doesn't give me trouble :notsure:
     
  7. Jan 4, 2018 at 7:30 AM
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    What does gear oil have to do with this? You don't use gear oil for hydraulic fluid and your transmission function is unaffected by the movement of the clutch in this scenario...?
     
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    The clutch operates on brake fluid, not gear oil.
     
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    the dude says he has is sticky clutch due to being cold, my experience with manual trans trucks/cars is that the clutch isn't sticky it more so the engine and trans aren't up to operating temps so it feels like the gears aren't shifting as smoothly as they would when the temps are above freezing, because the gear and engine oil is still thick from the extreme cold, the viscosity in the oils thicken until operating temp is achieved 5-10 minutes of driving then it feels normal
     
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    Sure, but if you watched the video to see he's talking about the pedal movement being sticky when he's not moving, just disengaging/engaging the clutch. If he said it was hard to shift, I would get what you mean.
     
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    It's not the clutch that is sticky, it's the clutch hydraulics.

    Is it full of fluid? Not impossible for the master to fail. And certainly to be sluggish.

    I'm assuming its fairly low miles and never been serviced.

    Exercise that warranty.
     
  12. Jan 4, 2018 at 7:43 AM
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    if im not mistaken the OP says that his truck stays sticky until after 15 minutes of driving until it warms up then I assume it functions properly, all in all extreme colder temps have an effect on how mechanical parts function, until optimal operating temp has been achieved. also the dude with the vid stated it was 6 degrees F this is far below what optimal temp should be to function as normal as if it were 60 degrees F you cannot expect it to function the same initially till the vehicle warms up
     
  13. Jan 4, 2018 at 7:45 AM
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    In really cold temps I definitely have sluggish shifting from cold gear oil. The Redline MT oil helps.

    This sticky pedal issue is a whole different issue. Sticky clutch threads pop up every winter, just like the squeaky clutch threads do every summer. Hit the pivot and the rubber bushing at the firewall with a little lithium grease spray. It should solve both. If not, do a full brake fluid flush (including the clutch) - it should be done every 3 years anyway.
     
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    Yes, and again, that has nothing to do with the engine or transmission themselves. His clutch hydraulics have an issue, be it moisture, air, or other contaminants in the hydraulic fluid, or a something else that is causing it to stick in the system (master is gummed up with something, pedal grease is frozen, or he has a gnome in the clutch that is a bit slow moving until his shop gets up to operating temp). The transmission fluid being cold has nothing to do with a sticky clutch pedal, they are independent. The general heatsoak off the engine is loosening up whatever the issue is, but I assure you it isn't the transmission oil...
     
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    yes this makes sense to hit the pivot points on on the clutch pedal with lithium grease , and having cold gear oil doesn't help either
     
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    Just for the record (for comparison's sale):

    We've had quite a few mornings this year that were colder than -10F. I haven't used my engine block heater yet. I don't have this problem.

    This issue is not normal, and has potential to do mechanical damage to your truck.

    If it's under warranty, have Toyota fix it.
     
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    if im not mistaken the title of the thread is I know its COLD but theres no way this normal for a cluthch right? The key word here is COLD and the second clue is that after 15 minutes till it gets HOT then it works Ok so temperature plays a key part in the OPs issue. Yes or No?
     
  18. Jan 4, 2018 at 7:55 AM
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    Temperature is exacerbating the symptoms, but not causing the problem. That's the real point being made, Bill.
     
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    I would take it in then, if its on and of again and temp doesn't matter more of a mechanical or clutch adjustment issue
     
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    true, kinda hard to believe a 2015 6 speed has hydraulic clutch issues but its possible, I would take to the dealer let them test it out
     

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