I own both, new Tacoma and new Colorado....

I respectfully disagree.

Anytime you add exhaust and mess with the stock fuel map you are not even close to stock, especially on a turbo motor. Plus since he said "chip" and not "dyno tuned" its even worse, EVERY car is different based on air temp, humidity, elevation, the actual motor itself, and even what type of gas you have. I used to be way into the Subaru scene, had a Legacy GT with 400AWHP and tuned by one of the best in the business, he even made sure I used the SAME GAS that I had it tuned with because even changing fuel brands can effect the tune. So I tuned it with Shell gas and ran shell gas for the rest of the time I owned the vehicle.

Getting a "chip" doesn't take any of these factors into account, especially if you've made other mods like exhaust. They are generic maps meant to work on the AVERAGE engine being tuned, but every engine is unique and a custom tune will give you more performance while being more reliable. Piecing together random after market parts and a generic performance "chip" is a recipe for poor reliability on a turbocharged engine, I know this from experience.

Having owned Turbo Toyotas, VWs, and Subarus I can also echo the sentiment my old Subaru Master Tech told me "when you turbocharge and engine you're effectively cutting the engine life in half".

I sold my tuned Subaru with 118k miles on it still running strong, but no doubt in my mind if the was naturally aspirated it'd go longer with less problems (on average).

I still love boost but fully accept the tradeoffs in reliability and longevity.

I work for Honda right now and I'm pretty uneasy about them moving everything to turbo. The new 2018 accord will be turbo in all trim levels, current CRV is turbo on all but the base model, same with the civic. I'll see if it catches up to them in 5+ years when their cars aren't "bulletproof like they used to be". Thanks ̶O̶b̶a̶m̶a̶ EPA

 

For the record it was a Cobb Stage 2 and Cobb Turbo Back Exhaust. I loved that car so Much!!! I still regret selling it. I have a friend with the turbo forester (XT) - it too is a great car. I love them subies!!

 

Lol. I almost bought one before I got my Taco OR two weeks ago. Glad I didn't.

 

Well I've had a 98 gst with a t28 (not big) but fully bolted and tuned with DSM link, 2 SRT4s one on a 100 shot and tuned and the other was stage 3 with a map clamp, a fully bolted and tuned Mazdaspeed3 with an accessport (both can tuned and etuned with a BNR S3 turbo) and a stage 2 unitronic gti. So with that being said I just don't consider an exhaust and off the shelf tune modded. You're right in the reguard that with you're not tuned for your car specifically it's not a wise move but other then that it's pretty stock to me. I ran a can tune on my MS3 for 33k miles before I got etuned and added more mods and it ran like stock. I ran it with every bolt on you can have and the BNR3 until I sold it at 90k and believe me I beat the shit out of that car. It had a hard life.

Not saying a turbo car should be bullet proof but with silly little mods and a catch can to catch blow by and proper maintence it should be relatively reliable. All respectfully stated of course. And yes I think NA should be more reliable unless you're talking high compression NA Honda builds. Those things are generally time bombs. For me any NA car worth having must have 8 cylinders for any go fast fun.

I've had a lot of car in my life (I think I'm at 18) multiple 00 and 01 gsr's, 2 gsr hatches (eg and ek), vw's vr6 and 2.0ts and sure the NA cars seemed to take a beating and never quit but no different then my properly maintained boosted motors. I've never boosted a car that didn't come that way from the factory so I can say anything about those as far as reliability goes. From what I've seen its not very good other then a supercharger on v8s.

I'm not a master mechanic but I've owned and modded several cars in my time so I just feel turbo cars should be reliable when left alone. I bought a 5.0 because I feel it's he best for reliability in its fullsize class. Normally I own a car and truck at the same time but I bought this and got rid of my cars due to having a 1 year old and a new born lol. I'll be getting a 5.0 mustang in the next few years to turn into a garage queen.

 

Didn't mean to be critical and it was smart to pair the cobb tune with the cobb exhaust because they were at least tuned together. I see a lot of people throw on like a GREDDY exhaust, AEM intake, and COBB tune which is although will still give increased performance will cause a ton of undue stress and inefficiencies in the fuel map.

I also realize not everyone lives near competent tuners. I'm in SoCal and just in my city alone when I was into the Subaru scene there were 6 different performance shops with great tuners in my city alone. Not everyone is so lucky and if you don't have a good tuner available I think a COBB tune with COBB parts is a better option than a poor customer tune for sure.

I miss my subarus too bro

 

Hearing you talk about your cars makes me miss the "good ol days", all the performance shops that used to be basically cars shows every weekend are now closed there's only one original one left in my city (Crawford performance), meetups are more rare and kids just don't seem as interested as modding cars as they were when I was a teenager.

To your point I've also seen plenty of turbo subarus with 150k+ miles, modded, and still running original turbo with no problems. I think its just a matter of probability and I'd say with a turbo engine you're not guaranteed to have problems just more likely too even if its only a few percentage points more probable.

I think the real issue is maintenance. I do agree if you take good care of a turbo motor they can still take abuse and last a really long time, I think they're just more demanding of quality maintenance. I've seen people bring in old NA Accords and Camrys that would literally go 20k miles between oil changes sometimes and the cars were still running great. Don't think you can get away with that level of neglect on a turbo engine :/

As someone that works in the car business you'd be shocked at how poorly most people maintain their cars. Just had a tradein last week that hasn't had an oil change in 8 years!!! Given it was owned by an old lady that only drove like 2k miles per year but still, she was on ORIGINAL OIL in a 2010 Camry, she literally never changed it. Had to send that beautiful cream puff to auction -_-

 

If you've done all the recalls on the transmission my suggestion is to replaced the oil on the transmission too. It helped a lot on my second gen tacoma. I replaced the transmission oil at 30k and I was amazed how much of a difference it made. In a 120 mile trip I use to have the car on autopilot and before the chase the car was shifting like crazy (about 20-30 times downshifting). After the oil change of the same road under the same circumstance it shifted only twice in 120 miles. BTW....I used fully Amsoil fully syntetic oil. My friend did the same thing on his 4 Runner and reported the same results.

 

I just saw this thread. This might help anyone with annoying transmission:
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...troller-now-available-for-gen3-tacoma.490113/

 

Pics to prove ownership of both trucks?

 

This. Both made in Wentzville, Mo.