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Icon Lower Control Arm for 2nd Gens - Design Flaw?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by Captain Nemo, Oct 27, 2024.

  1. Oct 29, 2024 at 12:47 PM
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    Captain Nemo

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    I could do that but given the price I paid for these LCAs, that's not my first choice. Besides, I still need to confirm if this is a design flaw or instruction/installation error.
     
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  2. Oct 29, 2024 at 3:16 PM
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    So I spoke to the sales manager over at Icon, Fred Brayton, and he cleared up the questions. So, apparently the LCA's were initially designed and built for the third gen Tacoma. Upon testing, they realized that they worked on the second gen as well. So they went ahead and offered them to the second gen crowd. I was told that the bump stop tab being on the back was not an oversight or design flaw, and the LCA"s will work perfectly fine on second gens as designed and installed per the instructions. The Factory stop does hit the body of the LCA, but I was told it did not require an additional tab to be placed there and it is designed strong enough to only put a minor scratch on it. The actual body of the LCA acts as the stop.

    Additionally, I was informed that @Icon_Adrian does not monitor these pages any longer. He has moved on to a different role within the company, hence the reason for no response when he is tagged. The best way to have questions answered regarding Icon products is through either email or phone, not through any forums.
     
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  3. Oct 29, 2024 at 3:43 PM
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    Thanks for following up.

    it’s hardly a minor scratch. It’s practically progressively gouging the body of the LCA, not to mention seriously reducing the steering radius and how the misplaced tabs are grinding on the body of the bracket.

    I’m not buying it. That’s a major screw up either way. I was expecting a better answer from Icon. Not even a note or disclosure of this issue was on the website. This is basically saying “we designed something half-assed, now make it work for yourself”.

    Let’s not forget that the only reason it’s posted in the forums is because the emails have not been replied to in two weeks. It’s starting to look like they don’t want anything in writing that can be used against them.

    This is a fail. Very disappointing after purchasing the whole gamut of Icon products over the past 15 years.

    I’ve still yet to hear back from Icon personally, but if this is how they want to roll…
     
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  4. Oct 29, 2024 at 6:32 PM
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    Wow. Icon sucks. What a crap reply.
     
  5. Oct 29, 2024 at 10:42 PM
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    Icon's photos on the product page show the factory steering stop installed backwards (i.e. swapped left and right). This is probably how Icon tested the LCAs off road:

    upload_2024-10-30_1-39-43.png

    And get spindle gussets if you decide to go over terrain the Icons were designed for. Most people reinforce or upgrade the spindles before splurging on upgraded stock-length LCAs.
     
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  6. Oct 30, 2024 at 5:09 AM
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    Yikes. That excuse from them sounds more like "We're too lazy to do extra work to make it appropriate for the 2nd gen". Offering something to a secondary group just because it "kinda fits" is shady af if you ask me. This thread isn't going to do ICON any justice. They should refund the OP if you ask me. I mean, they basically just admitted this isn't intended for a 2nd gen.
     
  7. Oct 30, 2024 at 12:09 PM
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    That's putting it mildly.
     
  8. Oct 30, 2024 at 12:11 PM
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    Sharp eye and good observation, @3JOH22A . That's what @TireFire suggested as well. This significant detail is not in the installation instructions though, and photos in the installation instructions do not show the brackets being reversed.

    I'll look into the spindle gussets, thank you for the suggestion.
     
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  9. Oct 30, 2024 at 12:17 PM
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    Basically, it's either that (unethical business conduct), a design flaw that requires an easy fix, a failure to update instructions (if switching brackets is required to reverse the steering stops is the issue). None of which Icon is willing address.

    They're basically selling an expensive unit to 2nd gen owners that will get damaged upon installation, damage the truck's steering stop brackets, and create further issues....

    I'll keep this thread updated on any fix, if any, I'm able to come up with.
     
  10. Oct 30, 2024 at 12:19 PM
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    Cut and swap the stop. Or add in a triangle one like the other member posted. That's the easiest overall.
     
  11. Oct 30, 2024 at 12:20 PM
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    Then make another thread, and or Rumble video showing fix that Icon overlooked.
     
  12. Oct 30, 2024 at 12:21 PM
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    Good suggestion! This is something that will affect other 2nd gen owners.
     
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  13. Oct 30, 2024 at 12:58 PM
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    Scrubbed some tires, and knocked a dent out.
    Thats not much of an answer. Sounds like he either doesnt know or doesnt want to admit fault. Could have at least responded to whats happening in @Captain Nemo pics.

    Interested to see if Icon changes their install instructions in the near future.
     
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  14. Oct 30, 2024 at 3:10 PM
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    the 2nd Gen and 3rd Gen use the same control arms other than the rear bushing because of a bolt size change. The issue with these will affect the 3rd gen trucks too.
     
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    Not entirely true, bushings have different OD's too. Doesnt matter for this
     
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    No they don’t. The arms are interchangeable between 2G & 3G as long as those bushings get swapped.
     
  17. Oct 31, 2024 at 9:20 AM
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    I am talking about OEM arms here, OD of the bushings are different. This being a aftermarket thread this info probably didnt belong here.

    upload_2024-10-31_12-20-40.png
     
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    So I found this other photo on Icons site clear as day showing they swapped sides on that steering stop to have them facing backwards so the stop hits the back of the arm, not the front. I do have the S2 setup installed on my truck, so wondering if this will work for me. I think I’m gonna try this route

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  19. Nov 7, 2024 at 9:54 AM
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    I looked at all those photos, as did other folks, and honestly, the photo isn't clear enough to me. The instructions do not mention anything about reversing the stops and the photos in the instructions don't show them reversed either. Still working on this with my installer, we're waiting for some other parts to arrive. I'll keep this threaded updated once I have a solution for my situation.

    We'll either:
    1. swap the stops (if that works),
    2. Modify the LCA with the stop tab relocated to the front, or
    3. Just scrap it out and go with another LCA brand is known to work with the 2nd gen.

    If you do get around to it before I do, please keep up us updated and post pics.

    Already sent a fourth follow up email to Icon support with still no reply.
     
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    When you call are you going thru the phone menu and getting tech support? I called a few times over a span of 2 weeks last month to get part numbers to replace some shafts on a couple different 2.5 shocks and got thru first time every time. Same dude every time, so maybe he is out/sick/left or something? Email would be better since you can send pics but in the last 15 years of dealing with them they have always had issues responding to emails.
     

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