Icon rxt leaf pack

Anyways, I'll actually respond instead of trolling, and then we can maybe move past this. Me calling you an "angry elf" was in response to this message. You come across as hostile and rude when the guy was just trying to share some real-world pics. You said yourself that you had only seen a few pics and they were the manufacturer's photos. He was attempting to be helpful, at least in my eyes.

Yes, they reduce ground clearance by about an inch judging from the photos. As others have stated though, maybe that's less important when you're out running sand dunes and instead, want more shock travel in the OEM location.

Besides, anything that bolts into the OEM location isn't great for ground clearance. If someone is offroading hard enough where a couple of inches matter on the back axle, odds are the mounts are going to be cut off anyway, bringing the lower shock mount higher and parallel with the ground.

 

It’s an improvement. better to be wrong on purpose than because you’re incorrectly regurgitating phrases and common knowledge you’ve heard in the past. I’m surprised your pal SR-71 wasn’t able to straighten you out on the ‘jets’ comment lol.

 

Yes I said I saw few pics, not that I needed to see more.
Yes it reduces ground clearance. That was my entire point. You can buy extended shocks that increase travel and don’t reduce ground clearance. I’m repeating myself since the key points were ignored.
I disagree most guys unwilling to give back ground clearance are permanently cutting and welding on their new truck.
How anyone ascertained this person will be ‘dune running’ is interesting.

 

Well, you said your piece, others have said theirs. Let's get this thread back on track with discussion about the leaf pack.

 

I thought this thread was about the RXT leaf pack, not shocks.

everyone knows Icon shocks have a bad rap due to their shite customer service and poor corrosion properties

should have gone ADS

 

nah. relocate with smoothies or bust

 

How long are the shafts fully extended? I already have those VS 2.5” shocks but the first iteration with standard lower mounts. Can those new lower mounts (and perhaps longer shafts?) be added on rebuild for more travel?

the shocks limit travel of my Dakar leaves. Probably still will with the extended shock but whatever. Not doing limit straps unless I go SUA at some point.

 

Not sure if anyone has answered you but I have the Icon hydro bumps too and the height the cans are mounted can be adjusted via the pinch bolts

 

I unfortunately had that measurement on my old phone that met the ground in the blink of an eye. That’s a good question though, wouldn’t hurt to ask Icon!

-Die Hard Icon Fan

Edit: @hx989 I forgot to mention also that I don’t have the RXT shocks anymore. I got rid of them when the lower mounts were scraping curbs at the mall.

 

Back to "leaf" packs.... Just purchased, looking forward to getting off my bump stops. $630 shipped to my house (no u-bolts).
https://www.newlevelmotorsports.com/icon158505.html

 

Hummm. No direct answer yet.
Well I went with j66 deavers instead , and the icon bump stops.
I will cycle the suspension with my VS icon shocks attached and report total wheel travel numbers. I’ll also let you know what the “ limit strap “ is going to be lol. The spring/shackles or the extended length of the VS shocks (or break lines? Yikes ) . Full compression will also be tested with the hydro bumps attached ( no ring spacer added ). I am guessing the total wheel travel will be around 10-11” and ride hight should be right in the middle of that travel range. I don’t understand when people talk about “lift height” because this is a relatively number which is ultimately useless. It’s like giving directions in terms of “left /right” instead of “north /west...”. Also when people measure travel in terms of the shocks travel is equally illogical as the shocks might have some motion ratio (not 1:1) , might be acting like a bump stops or might have unused shaft travel still left at full axle drop out (in the case leafs are limiting full droop). I don’t know why, but mostly the desert racing / sand sport folks seems to comprehend these basic fundamentals of suspension set up. Your shocks should be made to work within the bounds of what your suspension can cycle. Not the other way around. Anyways...

As far as ground clearance using the RXT shocks, ya it would sit lower but it’s right next to the tire so it’s not exactly like “losing clearance” in the center of the truck. Kind of like how land rovers have off set diff pumpkins closer to the tire for clearance (tire center hub is always elevated off the ground based off rules of physical reality).

I use the truck to make day runs out to the desert and pretend like I’m racing the Baja 1000 ....at 35mph lol. I’m not really into “crawling “ or even using 4wd unless I’m stuck. In fact I hate driving in 4wd because it constantly wants to understeer the truck in sand/dirt. You can point the truck way easier in 2wd. Also I don’t bring my whole kitchen and bed room out “overland” ,so the soft deavers will be fine. I’m like 45 min away from ocotillo wells so I’d rather BS for a few hours then come home to my bed.

 

So I just picked up a new set of rxt leafs for my long bed 4x4 OR. Bilstein 6112/5160set at 5/6 and camburg uniball uca, and I usually carry a work load of around 250lbs. I have a slimline bumper with a 10k winch in the front.. anything else I’ll need to get these leaf springs on?
Will option 2 be my ticket? When I go camping the load goes up +100 lbs for the RTT and kb voodoo rack...

 

Option 2 should be perfect. Should consider extended rear brake lines

 

If I weren’t to do it, would I compromise my brake system?

 

Not a 5160 guy but from my reading 5160s dont extend far enough to really stress the lines into breaking and would probably act as a limiting strap until they let go but again don't take my word on that as its just what I have read. I am not sure if the 5160s are short enough that you can just bend the brake line brackets to gain an inch or two of slack in the lines. Most aftermarket places highly suggest extending brake lines if you run Dakars, Deavers, or Icon leafs because they tend to have lots more droop than the stock pack.

 

New 5160's come with a spacer to raise the brake line mount at the axle about an inch....

https://productdeskapi.cart.bilsteinus.com/media/products/bilstein/E4-WM5-Y623A00.pdf

 

I have that, so will I be good to go?

 

Since droop is limited by the shocks, as long as the 5160's are mounted in the stock locations... yup, good to go.

 

I have no photographic evidence for what I am about to say regarding travel numbers (so just trust me).


...finished the install of the Deaver J66 leaf springs, icon hydro bumps + using my old Icon VS series 2.5" shocks (on a gen3).


total travel is 10.25" from full droop to compression of the bump stops (0.2" of bump stop shaft was still exposed at full compression of axle to bump). The Icon VS shocks accommodate this full amount of travel perfectly. The VS shocks have ~9.5" of shock stroke , so they work within that travel range almost perfectly. The leaf springs droop out with a bit of shackle play to almost exactly the fully extended length of the shocks so that was very fortunate. Don't really know what the "limit straps" will be, either the shocks extending fully or the springs just fully arched out and shackle stopping it from falling down under the axles weight. For sure the shock will not experience much springe force at full droop. The VS shocks also do not bottom out at full compression (they had 0.1" of shaft exposed) so I don't think they will ever bottom out (especially with hydro bump stops). Ride height is 6" up travel and 4.25" down travel.
Based off these j66 deavers and stock shackles, the RXT shocks are unneeded or even the weld on shock towers which allow for 12" shocks. I know some run drop brackets and longer shackles. Doing this probably allows for more down travel by relocating the rear leaf spring pivot down? Also with other leaf packs (like the Icons rxt pack or Dakar or...) they might have more arch? But it seems like you can only add like 1-2" more travel? I should also point out that I have re-valved my rear Icons many times. So when people say the 12" shock tower relocation kit made a huge difference, I wonder if it is the "increase in wheel travel" which made the difference or the fact that they were also installing a new 12" shock with different valving and a different motion ratio. Hard to say.
If I ever have to upgrade leaf springs , I think I'd just go 62" spring under kit with a bed cage and 16" shocks. Why spend more time and money for an extra 1-2" of travel on these 56" type springs lol. I don't know we will see.

Any ways, let me know if you see any missing bolts I forgot to tighten up in the pics


edit* I have been running LT leaf spring set ups on many Toyota and ford trucks. A good way to see how much travel your leaf springs will pull is lay them flat on the garage floor , upside down. the rainbow arch they make should be close to the realistic travel you can expect. I know rock crawler guys add longer shackles to get it to "articulate" but that's loosie goosy travel which is useless through da woops. So just make sure your set up has springs under full preload at all times, and they don't go too far into negative arch at compression.

 

Full king 2.5 with resi and adjusters ordered, swapping out the billies