Idaho BS thread in the PNW

Well another issue is that they are but aren't the Sam. Bens Km2s lugs are much smaller then my Km2 lugs. Same pattern..but due to the lugs being different size it's kinda irrelevant..

But I wonder if that means Ben get more lugs down so therefore he has more traction..or if because mine a bigger I get more traction..


Then there is side wall type too. His are E rated due t a 16" rim and mine C rated due to 15" rim.

So because mine aren't as beefy does that mean the flex more allowing more down.

 

Here we all are getting all heady again....at least it's not cameras...

 

That goes with my side wall thing I just posted cause I know for a fact my side lugs contacts the ground as I bet my side wall flex better due to that they are only C rated.

 

Wider tires are typically heavier and less air dynamic so worse fuel mileage. haha

The problem with claimed to be more floaty, is that if both rigs weigh the same, have the same exact tread patterns, and are running at the same psi they will have the exact same surface area down and will be equally floaty.

The one exception to this would be at psi's below 5, because the tires can only get so long before you are running on the rim if they are both 33" tires they will have the same length down now, but the wider one will have more surface area now due to being wider.

 

I woj ld think so.. but does that extra flex allow your lugs to slide off of obstacles easier ?

 

Mine start to flare at 20 man.

Which is odd. Wouldn't 32 pis in a smaller area hold better then the 32pis in my larger tire??

Lol I'd never do 5 without bead locks. 8 or ten yea

 

No allows the lugs to flex too adding grip

 

Miss physics. Loved it but didn't pursue it.

And I think that's wrong. Common knowledge that wider kills mileage more then tall.

 

Skinnier tires have to flex more to get the extra length (or width) needed to achieve the same surface area as a wider tire.

Exactly, so that is why flotation would be the same between two tires at the same psi so long as both rigs weigh the same.

typically coefficient of friction has to due with how the two surfaces interact, ie rubber on rock, but the problem I see there, is that the more surface area you have down the less the normal force you have down per surface area and that isn't exactly taken care of for the wide vs skinny part. Although all over conditions equal or skinny and wide tire will have the same surface area down.

 

Well..seeing as to how I weight a shit ton..I'd say fat wins!

 

You really need to weigh your rig. haha. I am curious what it weighs since Mike's weighed about 4700-4800lbs fully loaded for Moab. Mine weighed about 5000 lbs empty and I have added tires and sliders since. I will be stupid heavy when I get my bumpers and skids and have some gear and a driver and passenger in there... probably over 6000lbs

 

Well... I guess that would give us total force, so I'm not sure now actually. haha

Basically all that equation tells us is that the heavier you are the more grip you will have (assuming the coefficient of friction remains the same). Which we already know. haha We need to relate it to surface area/width to be relevant.

 

I do. Ill go to the co OP sometime and see what it costs to use the scale

If mikes was 4700 I be ill be just over that fully loaded as my bed rack is bigger and rear bumper and tires and ill have a 1/4" belly skid.

I know I can do 10 as Jon did with them. The wheelers rims have a bigger lip too so slipping a bead is harder. Your stock rims have small lips so that why your more at risk of blowing a bead.

 

Never seen a thread on it.

 

Yep. Media I think is why people d that partially. Kill so,e people then yourself..forever remembered..kill yourself in your room..forgotten by most in a few years.

It is sad and disgusting.


And yes..your such a fan boy haha

 

X2 I find lots of news channels a joke

 

Nothing wrong with that. But they is now way spacers are better then..anything haha your best advice you can give is what I give especially now that you've had both.

Save your money..get a real lift with quality parts.

There is NEVER EVER EVER a substitute for that phrase.

Or this phrase: do it right..or don't do it at all.

And don't give me that oh I needed it for the bigger tires for Moab crap..you can fit 32s stock and there wasn't a single trail you did at Moab or hell even me that a stock rig couldn't have done.

I hate the people that prompt those questions.."how can I do xxxxx...I want to do xxxx with my truck...but I'm on a budget and have no money..I'm broke.."

Well..sorry, it's expensive to do right. So start saving.

I just don't get how people don't understand that. And that putting a cheap part on a very nice reliable Toyota is a smart choice.

But maybe that's just my way of thinking..

 

Really I don't think there is anything wrong with spacer lifts as long as your bump stops are big enough and you don't mind the "rougher" ride (I don't have any experience with whether they truly ride noticeably rougher). As far as offroading goes I am a big supporter of clearance and lockers. More clearance means you can clear bigger obstacles and a lift directly gives you more clearance and it indirectly gives you more clearance via allowing bigger tires. Obviously spacers aren't the best way to achieve lift but they sure are cheap.

 

Cheap on a very important part of the rig to me..= wrong..

Just me then I guess

 

I see your point but when is the last time you jumped your truck or tore through the desert at speeds in excess of 50 mph. I don't know about you guys but I don't think I have ever really pushed my suspension beyond what a spacer lift could likely do as well. I think spacers just get a bad rap because of how many people have broke shocks and that just has to do with the bumps being too short and is a lift problem in general not just a spacer problem.

Look at Ben (btnewman), he is running a spacer lift and he mobbed his rig harder than any of us in here did when in Moab. Sure he bent up his spindles but I think that would have happened whether he was running a damn good set of Icons/Foxes/Kings or his spacer lift. The spindles were just the weak link there.